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RCMP Officer, drunk, kills motorcyclist, 21
- Thread starter Duster929
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Very well said.
Exactly my point. I find most of the cop haters here to be hypocrites.
not everywhere.
will you deposit your money to bank clerk, that was in newspaper as suspect in fraud?
there are number of jobs, that you have to be clean, and once you are suspect... you are having long vacation (without pay) until you come clean.
I have seen friends being let go because police investigation (no pay no severance), but if you are member of union, that's different story.
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What world do you live in?
Nortel CEO was fired for cooking the books before his case went to trial. Tim Horton's girl got fired for giving away timbits(Although, charges were later dropped and she was later rehired). Those 4 correctional officers in Kitchener, that killed the 19 year old girl, were fired before their case went to trial.
None of these people were put on a paid leave, while they waited for the results of their case/charge.
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And none of them would have lost their job before conviction had they killed a girl driving drunk!! That's my point!
exactly there are lots of jobs that would fire you before you go to try ESPECIALLY the ones that involve public trust.
Paul name one job that would pay you while you stay home to await trial? please I'm waiting. I know my work wouldn't suspend me with pay. I'd get fired long before a case involving me killing someone went to court. My company wouldn't want me to represent them anymore to the public and as the people who sign the pay cheque that is their choice. Shouldn't the tax payer get a choice not to support this scum bag while he sits at home?
I honestly can't believe you are defending this guy getting paid after what he has done that goes against everything that pay was supposed to represent.
As are most, if not all, of the cops!
I think you're missing the point, being that he is an RCMP officer and part of his responsibility is enforcing drunk-driving laws and dealing with other people involved in vehicular manslaughter/dangerous driving causing death cases. We're not talking about you and me... we don't have job responsibilities that are relevant to the crime that was committed. You must see that there's a distinction there? In my profession, if I am charged with violating securities regulations, or implicated in an accounting/finance fraud, my registration would be revoked and I'd be let go, pending an investigation. Even if those violations had nothing to do with my job and happened in my personal time. If I cleared my name, I could get reinstated. It sucks, because I'm not in a union, but that's the reality most people live with.
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invictus43
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How would they know you've been charged?
Question...would you guys lose your job for drunk driving and killing someone? Didn't think so..
can you still drive a truck paul after killing someone while driving drunk?
if you are arrested, you have to inform your manager/HR about your absence.
if your license was suspected and you need it to perform work, your manager/HR will be inform
if your work is related to crime (bank worker and fraud, network administrator and computer fraud, childcare worker and child related crime) investigator will contact with your manager/HR to obtain information.
in any case if you are in private sector you are gone without pay.
So now on top of committing the crime, you're going to lie to your employer about it? This really doesn't make you more likely to hold onto your job.
In many jobs, including my job as well as being a police officer, there is a code of conduct and ethics, whether it is written or not. Failing to inform your employer of a charge for a crime directly related to your duties and responsibilities constitutes a violation of that code. You're making it a lot harder to keep your job, clear your name, and get reinstated. You're just adding to the reasons to be fired.
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Not to mention in any serious incident like killing someone by driving drunk your name would be splashed around all major papers. Well I guess that is unless you are an RCMP officer it seems. I guess they are afforded more rights than any average criminal.
Psycho_Biker
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This is a very sad story, I can't imagine what Orion's parents are going through right now. RIP fellow rider.
I don't think anybody was trying to question due process or being hypocritical when they said he should have been CHARGED. You aren't guilty as soon as you're charged (unless you're a "street racer"). The cop can sit at home and await his chance to get off the hook by his police buddies. NOT be paid from our pockets thank you, after a second death at the hands of this man.
I worked at a company this year on contract for 6 months. They made landing gear for airplanes and had contracts with the military for the C17 and Apache helicopters. You had to sign form after form saying you have no conflicts of interest with the military of the United States and Canada blah blah blah. If I was found out to have conflicting interests with my employer, I would for sure be let off INSTANTLY. Arresting drunk drivers and driving drunk IS A HUGE GOD DAMN CONFLICT OF INTERST. Any freaking moron should see that. What's the difference from the military or police??
Do you really want that guy sitting at home being paid after what he did? How you can even try defending the police on that one is beyond me.
I don't think anybody was trying to question due process or being hypocritical when they said he should have been CHARGED. You aren't guilty as soon as you're charged (unless you're a "street racer"). The cop can sit at home and await his chance to get off the hook by his police buddies. NOT be paid from our pockets thank you, after a second death at the hands of this man.
I worked at a company this year on contract for 6 months. They made landing gear for airplanes and had contracts with the military for the C17 and Apache helicopters. You had to sign form after form saying you have no conflicts of interest with the military of the United States and Canada blah blah blah. If I was found out to have conflicting interests with my employer, I would for sure be let off INSTANTLY. Arresting drunk drivers and driving drunk IS A HUGE GOD DAMN CONFLICT OF INTERST. Any freaking moron should see that. What's the difference from the military or police??
Do you really want that guy sitting at home being paid after what he did? How you can even try defending the police on that one is beyond me.
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invictus43
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Arrested on Friday night and out Saturday morning. Work would never know. I know one or two people who were arrested for DUI and their work never knew the difference. If you have to drive for your job and your license is suspended as a result and you choose not to tell your employer, again, how would they know? I am not, in any way, condoning these actions, I'm just saying, they won't necessarily find out.
invictus43
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There are a lot of generalized statements being made here, you'd automatically be fired etc. Every job is different, every employee/employer relationship is different. Many people are charged for a crime and retain their jobs until their are either convicted or exonerated. Some people are let go immediately. Some people conceal the charges and are never found out. I'm not saying any of this conduct is correct or what is right. I'm just saying it's possible that someone other than a cop is charged and never loses their job.
As for the cop, well, I suppose they'll do their due dilliegence, make sure he was actually driving the vehicle, blah blah blah and I suspect he will eventually be charged. As for suspended with pay, I've never understood why someone is fired or suspended when they've been charged and not convicted. I understand that it's common for this to happen, but I figure if you haven't been convicted, you're still presumed innocent.
Here is a little tidbit from a G&M article about the officer.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081029.wimpaired1029/BNStory/National/home
I'm sorry who is the victim here? I hope the RCMP are providing the family of the deceased 'Any assistance we can just to help them get through this time'. I know the guy probably feels like **** but I fail to feel sorry for him. Especially the way he behaved at the scene not even rendering aid to the young motorcyclist he killed.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081029.wimpaired1029/BNStory/National/home
I'm sorry who is the victim here? I hope the RCMP are providing the family of the deceased 'Any assistance we can just to help them get through this time'. I know the guy probably feels like **** but I fail to feel sorry for him. Especially the way he behaved at the scene not even rendering aid to the young motorcyclist he killed.
By January it would have blown over, and people forgot all about it, poor rider. Can't imagine what the family is going through.
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