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GMAN said:
When a lot of people on this site get a speeding ticket, or any other ticket, for anything, they complain about the police. Seems they are always innocent, hard done by. As soon as a police officer is "allegedly" guilty of any offence whatsoever, he is immediately "guilty."


Pretty clear that a lot of you are not objective, and also, know very little of how the law works, and the Justice System.
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your right there is no difference between a minor speeding ticket and DUI causing death plus leaving the scene of the crime all with his kids in the car. :roll:
I just wish the scum bag gets what he deserves but sadly he won't his karma won't come from the justice system.

Are you honestly trying to say this clown is innocent? If he weren't an officer it would be a different game. This guy seems to be surrounded by 'stories'. If it weren't for the cell phone vid of the incident at the airport the original fabricated account of what happened would have stood. This guy is a real clown and is getting no sympathy from me. The RCMP should be cutting this walking hazard lose rather than protecting him. The victims family must think all of this is a cruel joke. People wonder why the RCMP is B.C. aren't respected.
 
Don't you guys ever get the feeling that the cops seem to think that they are immune to the law? That they can get away with what they enforce on a daily basis? They seem to even have "plans" for if a situation goes wrong, so that they can cover their tracks.

Plus, yes - you should be held to a higher standard if your JOB.... is one where you have the power to affect other people's lives.

In other words, if they have the ability to screw up and kill someone else's life (think taser or wrongful Bill 203 ticket)... then I WOULD LIKE TO THINK, that these people have common sense. AS OPPOSED to having the devious mindset of not only being a hypocrite during their job duties, but actually thinking ahead of how they can get off if they know they have done something wrong.

So yes there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference between an average Joe and a cop, or a JP, or a CROW prosecutor or a judge or a local politician. If we can't assume they will do the right thing and show common sense OUTSIDE of work, what makes you think they will do the right thing DURING WORKING hours?
 
I will say the same thing here as I said on another forum on this same topic.This is what I believe and this is my opinion on what will happen to this officer.
He will get the best available representation and it will all be paid for by our tax dollars. There will be an out of court settlement/ deal made where he will plead guilty to a lesser offence of leaving the scene. He will never see the inside of a courtroom or the inside of a jail. He will get to keep his job and will be transferred to another detachment in some far away place where nobody knows him tucked away in the basement for a few months shuffling paperwork then when the heat cools down he will be back on the street as if nothing happened.
Before someone quotes me and pops in with argument that the RCMP have no union representation and it will not be paid for by our tax dollars all poppycock,but somewhat true. RCMP may not have a union but they have some of the best law firms and some of the best Lawyers in the country on retainer for just such purpose as this one, and there are government lawyers as well so don't try and make us believe that this office will be on his own, sort of thrown to the wolves because it won't jive.
This guy knows the law, why do you think he left the scene and returned later,I'll tell you why,the argument will be he had a drink or 2 when he left the scene to calm his nerves and there's no way anybody will be able to prove otherwise.
There was a very similar case here on the rock a few years ago where a 14 year old boy was killed by a drunk who fled the scene. He turned himself in a few days later and was in custody for 6 months awaiting trial.
He was charged and convicted of leaving the scene of an accident got 2 years and was credited with the 6 months already served.
There's justice for you, and he wasn't a cop.
My lawyer friend says to me all the time that justice has nothing to do with what is right and wrong but more to do with who can afford the best lawyer. Now ain't that the truth.
Mark these words folks of this forum, this case will slowly calm down and disappear over time and we may never find out the outcome of it.
Now you all can back over me if you want to but this is the kind of thing we see in the justice system all the time.
Then they wonder why some folks have a great hatred for the law.
I believe it's a two tare justice system.
 
Duster929 said:
Yup, by January 15 we (through the police union) will have paid for the best lawyers money can buy to get him off the charge. There are a hundred ways to get off a DUI charge, for a regular person. For an officer with a union to hire high-rent lawyers, there must be a hundred more. This guy will have a few months of paid vacation to spend with his kids. He'll likely get some much-needed therapy to help him with his PTSD and alcohol problems (that many of us can't afford). He'll get plenty of visits from his police buddies who sympathize with the stress he must be under. He'll be back on the job by February.

Orion will still be dead.

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Another example of a total lack of knowledge. Police aren't allowed to have a union. He was off duty, so any lawyer he gets he will have to pay for himself.
 
Twilldous said:
I will say the same thing here as I said on another forum on this same topic.This is what I believe and this is my opinion on what will happen to this officer.
He will get the best available representation and it will all be paid for by our tax dollars. There will be an out of court settlement/ deal made where he will plead guilty to a lesser offence of leaving the scene. He will never see the inside of a courtroom or the inside of a jail. He will get to keep his job and will be transferred to another detachment in some far away place where nobody knows him tucked away in the basement for a few months shuffling paperwork then when the heat cools down he will be back on the street as if nothing happened.
Before someone quotes me and pops in with argument that the RCMP have no union representation and it will not be paid for by our tax dollars all poppycock,but somewhat true. RCMP may not have a union but they have some of the best law firms and some of the best Lawyers in the country on retainer for just such purpose as this one, and there are government lawyers as well so don't try and make us believe that this office will be on his own, sort of thrown to the wolves because it won't jive.
This guy knows the law, why do you think he left the scene and returned later,I'll tell you why,the argument will be he had a drink or 2 when he left the scene to calm his nerves and there's no way anybody will be able to prove otherwise.
There was a very similar case here on the rock a few years ago where a 14 year old boy was killed by a drunk who fled the scene. He turned himself in a few days later and was in custody for 6 months awaiting trial.
He was charged and convicted of leaving the scene of an accident got 2 years and was credited with the 6 months already served.
There's justice for you, and he wasn't a cop.
My lawyer friend says to me all the time that justice has nothing to do with what is right and wrong but more to do with who can afford the best lawyer. Now ain't that the truth.
Mark these words folks of this forum, this case will slowly calm down and disappear over time and we may never find out the outcome of it.
Now you all can back over me if you want to but this is the kind of thing we see in the justice system all the time.
Then they wonder why some folks have a great hatred for the law.
I believe it's a two tare justice system.
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I don't agree with much of what you said, but you are right in one thing. Those who can afford a good lawyer stand a better chance of getting off anything. And the administration of justice has got nothing to do with common sense.
 
GMAN said:
Another example of a total lack of knowledge. Police aren't allowed to have a union. He was off duty, so any lawyer he gets he will have to pay for himself.
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You're right, they're not allowed to join unions. They're allowed to have "police associations" to handle their collective bargaining negotations and to protect their legal rights. Is the hair split fine enough for you?

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The babylon should be stoned to death!!
 
GMAN said:
I don't agree with much of what you said, but you are right in one thing. Those who can afford a good lawyer stand a better chance of getting off anything. And the administration of justice has got nothing to do with common sense.
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You, may not agree with much of what I have said, but it's still my opinion and a lot of people do agree with me. The sentence passed on the drunk scumbag that murdered that little 14 year old in NL was based no doubt on precedent case and that is what a lot of lawyers will fight for and what a lot of judges will use. If, as some say he was off duty and has to pay for his own defense well, he'll get to keep his job. Therefore most of what I have said is true and accurate.
I'll say this again, this officer is gonna get a deal of the lesser offence of leaving the scene, no time to serve because of some trumped up stress defence or something similar,get to keep his job in some hideaway spot in another detachment shuffeling paper for a while till the heat cools down then he'll be back on the street as if nothing happened.
This is one time I hope the system proves me wrong but I doubt if I'm wrong on all accounts, we'll see. But if this goes down like I think it will none of us will ever see.
 
AdRath said:
your right there is no difference between a minor speeding ticket and DUI causing death plus leaving the scene of the crime all with his kids in the car. :roll:
I just wish the scum bag gets what he deserves but sadly he won't his karma won't come from the justice system.

Are you honestly trying to say this clown is innocent? If he weren't an officer it would be a different game. This guy seems to be surrounded by 'stories'. If it weren't for the cell phone vid of the incident at the airport the original fabricated account of what happened would have stood. This guy is a real clown and is getting no sympathy from me. The RCMP should be cutting this walking hazard lose rather than protecting him. The victims family must think all of this is a cruel joke. People wonder why the RCMP is B.C. aren't respected.
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My reply is: Refer to my original thread. You fit!
 
They should move the hearing to right NOW!!! They will keep on collecting full benefits for being on vacation. F-that noise.
 
GentleWeapon said:
I think most people missed CBRJohn's point about losing your job. Most of us would lose our jobs AFTER being CONVICTED, not without due process. I am not making any excuses for the actions of the officer, if that's how it went down his behaviour is reprehensible and disgusting.

But, some of you are suggesting that we skip due process in this case, that is the same thing that many of you argue against in regards to Bill 203. So, which side of the fence are you on? Just something to think about.
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I mean, the reality of the situation is you may not be fired immediately, but look at what happens with a teacher. There have been several cases where a teacher has slept with a student and been consensual and without a hearing that teacher is fired, black listed, name and face plastered all over the media. Judge as you may think who is wrong in that, but wouldn't it sound a bit strange that the teacher got suspended with pay? I'm just saying.....If anybody were to have beaten somebody up or caused any physical harm short of death, I'm sure you would be slapped with charges quickly and that image portrayal of you would definetly affect your job ultimately losing it in the process.
I can't even get mad at cops no more, they do what they want, when they want and SIU will clear them and the victim ends up in a box, or behind bars.
R.I.P. the young god who lost his life over senselessness, God bless
 
Duster929 said:
If he would rather spend the time between now and his trial in jail, and have that time credited against his sentence later, I would be ok with that.

So you think that letting him live free (not even under house arrest) is wasted time that should be given back to him in the case that he is guilty? Give your head a shake.

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With all the opposition to the idea that street racing laws degfy the right for a day in cuourt, i think it highly entertaining to see the same people suggesting that someone should should have their freedom curtailed while awaiting a trial just because they wear a badge and have a history.

Double standards abound.
 
dankyyz said:
With all the opposition to the idea that street racing laws degfy the right for a day in cuourt, i think it highly entertaining to see the same people suggesting that someone should should have their freedom curtailed while awaiting a trial just because they wear a badge and have a history.

Double standards abound.
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I don't swear an oath to protect the people, they don't let me carry a weapon or have a great influence over others lives/futures.

They are not close to being equal for comparison.

But I agree, no one deserves punishment without a fair shake.
 
dankyyz said:
With all the opposition to the idea that street racing laws degfy the right for a day in cuourt, i think it highly entertaining to see the same people suggesting that someone should should have their freedom curtailed while awaiting a trial just because they wear a badge and have a history.

Double standards abound.
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I agree that double standards abound. If he didn't have a badge and a history, he would have an immediate hearing, and his name would be published in the newspapers. Just like it would happen for any of us. We wouldn't get the luxury of 60 days before our hearing. If you take a look at other alleged drunk-driving-causing-death cases, there's usually a hearing within 24 or 48 hours.

Has anyone figured out why his name has been kept out of the press and why his hearing is delayed for so long?

--- D
 
Duster929 said:
I agree that double standards abound. If he didn't have a badge and a history, he would have an immediate hearing, and his name would be published in the newspapers. Just like it would happen for any of us. We wouldn't get the luxury of 60 days before our hearing. If you take a look at other alleged drunk-driving-causing-death cases, there's usually a hearing within 24 or 48 hours.

Has anyone figured out why his name has been kept out of the press and why his hearing is delayed for so long?

--- D
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I was refering to the civil liberties nuts with the tinfoil yamakas there Dusty one. Some moron gets clipped doing 245kph on a bike, it gets taken away, and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....no day in court........popo is judge and jury.....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

But somehow this guy should be canned or cut off from pay so YOU can feel all happyhappy that they are not being shown favoritizim.

Give some thought to the fact that the "pay while awaiting trial" clause in their collective agreement is probably due to the number of cops being litigated against by just such nimrods trying to get out of being responsible for their deeds. As in....." he pulled me over for NOTHING and the fight broke out. He should be suspended without pay till the trial...."

Again. Mememememememe....
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