Range Rover runs over several bikers

yes the average car driver should know the biker's riding code including all the hand signals. :rolleyes:

the biker's code? sorry what ultra secret biker's code are you referring to? Not smashing into someone who is slowing down in front of you? Or the part where you let the 100 bikers pass you by getting your car over into the right lane?

maybe you were watching a different video than I, but I didn't see any difficult to comprehend hand signals at any point during the altercation?
 
I honestly don't believe the bikers were out there to prey upon some poor schmuck and his familiy either. It was a road rage incident that escalated due to stupidity all around

I think MOST of us would have got ourselves into the right lane as soon as we noticed the 100 or so bikes on the highway behind us

most of us probably would have NOT rear ended the goofball brake checking us either, despite being justified in doing so

Just my opinion, but I think that some of them were out to prey on people.
Unfortunately, they have a history of doing so. Knocking off mirrors and so on.
Also, some were carrying weapons.

I'm also not so sure that the goofball was rear ended, he seemed to have continued driving immediately after forcing the car to stop.
 
I need to appologize, this D person has been watching the wrong video the whole time and I was just being an a88.

Give your head a shake D, this is not about bikes or a 3000 lb vehicles or weapons. It about cowards in full face helmets with no licenses picking on a family and putting them in a position no one should be put in.

But you know that, you re just so experienced you could talk these guys down after they attacked you sitting in your car with our hazards on. Yep...puppy dogs and rainbows for D!

I am with you 100%.
When I come out on forums, I know who I read and dismiss. In my eyes they do not have any credibility.
Who comes out and their know-it-all threads
 
Are you a dunce?

If someone is too stupid to see that getting into a pack of motorcycles has a high risk factor of a fender bender much less a serious incident then duh THEY put themselves into that problem. If I am driving and a pack of bikes was approaching from behind I would move to the right and/or stop on the shoulder or exit and let them go by because I KNOW that the PROBABLE POTENTIAL is a large enough RISK that I would AVOID, no matter what it would not be favorable for me.

If I am driving and I came across a bunch of guys with HA jackets or even a pack of Harley looking types then guess what -D- would not do...get into it with them. I would avoid the problem. If a group of 18 wheelers are on the road and you enter the on ramp and you look back to see nothing but 18 wheelers as far as your eyes can see behind and in front, are you really that stupid to inject your little 400lb motorcycle amongst them.

There is a saying, you can be right and be dead and still right. I always remember this old guy telling me that when dealing with road rules/laws when encountering a car driver not following the road rules.

Where were the Police?
Where were the FOUR Cops that were amongst the bikers?

Some of you are real tards, you hate it when guilt by association is levied at you but here you are doing the same things to those other bikers. If JohnyP the resident stunter and his crew was just riding along with these guys or was enveloped by the pack of riders and JohnyP was plowed over by the SUV driver...are you going to blame JohnyP for being there.

The SUV had a choice BEFORE be PLOWED them down, he could have just pushed through them at 10MPH.

Where was the Police?

I'm always amazed at how some people think a group ride is one unit and not 10, 25 or whatever number of seperate vehicles that they acually are. Why didn't the bikers realize they were impeding on everyone else trying to use to road and make at least some attempt at letting the othe road users use to road they are entitled to use... more so than most of those riders probably were. Why didn't the bikers realize Lien was obviously fustrated with them... and let him pass!?
Riding 20 or 30 bikes deep and expecting everyone else on the road to yield to your parade is ignorant.
To answer any of your questions about avoiding situations... I don't move/alter my actions for punks/thugs.... I wouldn't take a single step to the left or right to avoid a confrontation with a group of drinking punks (one of your examples)... neither would my GF and I'm glad she wouldn't. I take any threats against me and/or mine... head on!
 
I'm always amazed at how some people think a group ride is one unit and not 10, 25 or whatever number of seperate vehicles that they acually are. Why didn't the bikers realize they were impeding on everyone else trying to use to road and make at least some attempt at letting the othe road users use to road they are entitled to use... more so than most of those riders probably were. Why didn't the bikers realize Lien was obviously fustrated with them... and let him pass!?
Riding 20 or 30 bikes deep and expecting everyone else on the road to yield to your parade is ignorant.
To answer any of your questions about avoiding situations... I don't move/alter my actions for punks/thugs.... I wouldn't take a single step to the left or right to avoid a confrontation with a group of drinking punks (one of your examples)... neither would my GF and I'm glad she wouldn't. I take any threats against me and/or mine... head on!

And head on with 20-100 guys is what you will get.
That would sound like a fools errand to me, but hey, to each their own.

You raised a good point indirectly. There could have been many smaller groups guys that don't know each other e.g. you and me with 10 others from GTAM tagged along for the first time just as ppl do here for rides out to Port Dover Friday the 13th.

This story would be very different if he crushed one of those Cops.
 
Except he didn't crush a cop he crushed a dumb thug and his boys. A job well done, and a few more idiots off the roads. Give the man a medal.
 
Except he didn't crush a cop he crushed a dumb thug and his boys. A job well done, and a few more idiots off the roads. Give the man a medal.

Are you obtuse in your thinking?

NOBODY knew a damn thing about the crushed riders until after.
Let's borrow your logic, a female that was a stripper for 1 month (then quit) when she was 22 is raped by 3 guys when she is 30 and now a Nurse. In court they bring up her 1 month striping...is her life of lesser value now? Let's toss out her case and ignore the CRIME.

Just remember what you wrote. Some how magically you do NOT want the Cops to profile you as a biker nor should the other drivers profile you as some motorcycle thug/gang member yet you are feeding into it by saying it's okay to just plow over ppl first and IF we find out after they are not model citizens then that is okay and justifies it.

I have already admitted the bikers were wrong yet some of you seem incapable to conceive the SUV driver went too far at that moment.

Remember what you wrote...your day will come.
 
And you don't know what those thugs did to the guy to make him speed over them. They're criminal thugs who likely had weapons. They deserved to be run down like the animals they are.
 
And head on with 20-100 guys is what you will get.
That would sound like a fools errand to me, but hey, to each their own.

You raised a good point indirectly. There could have been many smaller groups guys that don't know each other e.g. you and me with 10 others from GTAM tagged along for the first time just as ppl do here for rides out to Port Dover Friday the 13th.

This story would be very different if he crushed one of those Cops.

I doubt very much that it would be... Not with all the attention the incident gained... Too many people watching.
 
And you don't know what those thugs did to the guy to make him speed over them. They're criminal thugs who likely had weapons. They deserved to be run down like the animals they are.

Just WOW!
Now you have made the leap to they LIKELY had weapons.
In that case the Police should shoot and or tazer any biker first because we could be in a gang and we could likely have a weapon.
Oh and if you have a visible tattoo then for sure you are in a gang because that is how I have been programmed that only thugs/gangs bad ppl get tattoos.
 
the biker's code? sorry what ultra secret biker's code are you referring to? Not smashing into someone who is slowing down in front of you? Or the part where you let the 100 bikers pass you by getting your car over into the right lane?
maybe you were watching a different video than I, but I didn't see any difficult to comprehend hand signals at any point during the altercation?

hey I've been on rides where I've been the sweeper/tail gunner and purposely slowed down the cars behind me to create a gap for the group ahead of me knowing full well if I get hit it would be my fault entirely. But to slow down the car from in front just so their group of motorcyclists can pull of their stunts is moronic and not every driver will understand that.

And why was he slowing down on a highway? So you think motorcyclists deserve the entire road way because they have bigger numbers? K, next time you're on the 401 make sure to stay in the right lane so all the cars can pass you.

[video=youtube;gHMcy0O_khg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHMcy0O_khg[/video]
 
Just WOW!
Now you have made the leap to they LIKELY had weapons.
In that case the Police should shoot and or tazer any biker first because we could be in a gang and we could likely have a weapon.
Oh and if you have a visible tattoo then for sure you are in a gang because that is how I have been programmed that only thugs/gangs bad ppl get tattoos.

Tires were slashed. They didn't do that with their bare hands.
 
Just WOW!
Now you have made the leap to they LIKELY had weapons.
In that case the Police should shoot and or tazer any biker first because we could be in a gang and we could likely have a weapon.
Oh and if you have a visible tattoo then for sure you are in a gang because that is how I have been programmed that only thugs/gangs bad ppl get tattoos.

They had weapons. Read the news and then come back and keep arguing on behalf of the lowlife criminal scumbags. Lol
 
Tires were slashed. They didn't do that with their bare hands.

Were they slashed before or after they tried to stop the SUV for the Police to arrive?
Like I said we do not have all the facts and the audio. If they were telling him don't move the Police are coming etc...
What did the Police tell the SUV driver e.g. wait for us there or run?

If the bikers called the Police first or soon after to say this guy hit one of them and they have him stopped but he is trying to run...ffwd they chase the SUV box him in and tell him don't run wait for the Police then the SUV tries to run again so they slash his tires...ffwd now they box him in again with the bikes waiting for the Police so now he plows over them.

See that is a possibility for the bikers to say we tried to make a Citizens arrest or contain him waiting for the Police that we called or the Police could have told them to keep him there.
We don't know all of that. The default state is not to just beat someone to a bloody mess for no reason especially knowing you have cameras rolling for your Youtube videos later.

There is too much missing.

It's the same damn mindset that allowed Michael Bryant to kill that cyclist and get off without even a driving on the sidewalk ticket.
This is the same Michael Bryant you can thank for the stunting laws most of you hate now.
 
About this situation.
Was this driver justified in plowing down the bikers?


http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...otorcycle_gangs_still_exist_no_they_didn.html
First off, your question is framed in a very negative and argumentative
fashion. So, you should not be surprised that the replies received are in
kind.

In later posts (now seven pages long) you assert through your statements
that the driver knowingly and with malice of forethought went “...plowing down
the bikers” as if with intent of doing as much harm as possible. I, (as others
who have answered you) flatly refute this point of view.



I'm of the opinion that he was trying to comply with the rules of the road
and stopped accordingly. I'm confident he would have remained stationary had not
the bikers attacked. He may not have known his right front tire had been
slashed. But, within a split second of the passenger side window being smashed
his "fight or flight" instincts kicked into overdrive and thus his right foot
went down, HARD. I do not believe he was consciously aware of who or what was
near the vehicle and therefore the damages caused by his actions were
involuntary.



It seams not satisfied with the response to you first question you continue
to ask new ones. Each appearing to mitigate the guilt of the motorcyclists while
shifting blame to others, like where were the cops?

Well, a search of the most recent news stories shows that at least one of
them was an undercover narc. So it's obvious why his information has been slow
to come out. As for the others well, the police are investigating and they're
going to be very careful what and when information is released. I'm curious as
to the 911 calls. I've read there may have been as many as six from the victim's
SUV alone.



Now, as to your latest hypothetical scenario re rape victim was former
stripper. I have first hand knowledge of a case where a young teen died due to a
city's negligence. What should have been a slam dunk multi million dollar
settlement ended up being a very low 5 figure number. Why? Because the city's
lawyers put the family on trial. Proving they were a burden on society wasn't
enough they then proceeded to crucify the dead teen. Using stats from who knows
where they convinced the judge that the teen would have grown up to be a
criminal.



Sorry, but your rape victim would have got screwed twice. Once by the perp
and then by the justice system.
 
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All I know is this.... If I have my wife and baby in the car and I get blocked in by a bunch of people( bikers or not) and they are looking to harm me... Im gonna run all them mofo's over!
 
Were they slashed before or after they tried to stop the SUV for the Police to arrive?
Like I said we do not have all the facts and the audio. If they were telling him don't move the Police are coming etc...
What did the Police tell the SUV driver e.g. wait for us there or run?

If the bikers called the Police first or soon after to say this guy hit one of them and they have him stopped but he is trying to run...ffwd they chase the SUV box him in and tell him don't run wait for the Police then the SUV tries to run again so they slash his tires...ffwd now they box him in again with the bikes waiting for the Police so now he plows over them.

See that is a possibility for the bikers to say we tried to make a Citizens arrest or contain him waiting for the Police that we called or the Police could have told them to keep him there.
We don't know all of that. The default state is not to just beat someone to a bloody mess for no reason especially knowing you have cameras rolling for your Youtube videos later.

There is too much missing.

It's the same damn mindset that allowed Michael Bryant to kill that cyclist and get off without even a driving on the sidewalk ticket.
This is the same Michael Bryant you can thank for the stunting laws most of you hate now.

Do you really think the unlicensed, uninsured, and armed bikers who were disobeying traffic laws all over the city were going to call the police? You've got to be kidding.
 
Were they slashed before or after they tried to stop the SUV for the Police to arrive?
before

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