R3 vs Sv650 (and do looks matter?)

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PLau said:
Saying a Japanese made bike is made for lightweight Asians, is like saying most bikes are made for fat white people (How many people in Asian countries see white people because of the American stereotype).
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Not that I really want to play ball in this argument, but when I was heavily considering a Honda CRF250L, a major issue most people have with the bike is that the suspension is setup for someone who is 160lbs. When the average weight of an adult American/Canadian is like 195lbs, it obviously wasn't designed for this market. Most of the people who buy them swap the suspension out.
 
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48Connor said:
Not that I really want to play ball in this argument, but when I was heavy considering a Honda CRF250L, a major issue most people have with the bike is that the suspension is setup for someone who is 160lbs. When the average weight of an adult American/Canadian is like 195lbs, it obviously wasn't designed for this market. Most of the people who buy them swap the suspension out.
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Word to big bird.
 
48Connor said:
Not that I really want to play ball in this argument, but when I was heavy considering a Honda CRF250L, a major issue most people have with the bike is that the suspension is setup for someone who is 160lbs. When the average weight of an adult American/Canadian is like 195lbs, it obviously wasn't designed for this market. Most of the people who buy them swap the suspension out.
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Overall, larger sized people should consider a larger displacement bike that fits them. No small displacement bike is really made for a person 2/3 the weight of the bike and all manufacturers have models that fit a person of that size.

All comes down to what fits and what you personally like.


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The R3 did fit me ok, so did the SV for that matter
 
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Drennan57 said:
OK, what do YOU want?
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Leaning to the R3 tbh, it looks better, is cheaper to purchase and insure, if its as sporty as they say and fun(even for a 250lb rider) then im sold
 
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PLau said:
Saying a Japanese made bike is made for lightweight Asians, is like saying most bikes are made for fat white people (How many people in Asian countries see white people because of the American stereotype).
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huh? ...or did you mean..."...is like saying most Harleys are made for fat white people..."


tossing gas on the fire....
 
bigpoppa said:
Leaning to the R3 tbh, it looks better, is cheaper to purchase and insure,if its as sporty as they say and fun(even for a 250lb rider) then im sold
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If you're 250lbs, you may want to test ride it first to see if you really like it and shouldn't really be taking a 2up on it - unless, you're in to small girls.

Wait for a demo ride!
 
PLau said:
If you're 250lbs, you may want to test ride it first to see if you really like it and shouldn't really be taking a 2up on it - unless, you're in to anorexic girls.

Wait for a demo ride!
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R3 is only 3" lower seat, almost same wheel base as an R6, so size isn't really that much of an issue. Besides, just starting out he'll be riding solo for a while....and the lower power is better to learn on.



...and I don't take any women passengers that weigh more than 10 lbs more than me.... :)
 
I won't into the argument of small bike versus middleweight; let the OP decide.

However, if these are the two sizes/styles under consideration, why are you focussed solely on the R3 and SV650? I don't get it. What about other similar bikes?

Bandit? GSX650F? CBR650F? ER-6n, Ninja 650? FZ6R.

What about Ninja 300? CBR250/CBR300. RC390 or the little Duke. Ducati Sixty2.

Honda's CB500 series should be considered. If the wallet isn't full, try a used EX500 or GS500.

There are so many choices. Why limit yourself?


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Jayell said:
I won't into the argument of small bike versus middleweight; let the OP decide.

However, if these are the two sizes/styles under consideration, why are you focussed solely on the R3 and SV650? I don't get it. What about other similar bikes?

Bandit? GSX650F? CBR650F? ER-6n, Ninja 650? FZ6R.

What about Ninja 300? CBR250/CBR300. RC390 or the little Duke. Ducati Sixty2.

Honda's CB500 series should be considered. If the wallet isn't full, try a used EX500 or GS500.

There are so many choices. Why limit yourself?


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Quite a list, ill explain if i can..

I dont think they make the bandit anymore, or the gsx650F(Might be able to find one used? but im not so keen on used bikes tbh, especially after looking at kijiji for a while)


That leaves the CBR650F, Er6n/Ninja 650, FZ6R, and SV650

Out of those its been my impression that the SV is the best(based on the opinion of riders, as well as any research iv been able to do) and has years of reputation to back it up



Between the ninja300, cbr250/300 and the R3, the R3 comes out on top in terms of 'fun' factor, its the most sporty of the bunch.

Im not sure i'll like the RC or Duke 390 simply because iv heard bad things about KTM quality/reliability and though the RC 390 looks great, it has aggressive ergo's(havent sat on it so i dont know if thats something ill like or not)


The bike that i had completely ignored(didnt even know it existed) is the Ducati Sixty2, which i shall look more into and get some insurance quotes(dont like the fact that its air cooled bleh)


And finally the CB500, Iv looked at the CBR500R, and while it is bigger, and has more torque, i dont think i'll like it(its marginally faster than the 300s, but bulkier, and more expensive)





Hope that explains it some
 
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I would have suggested a wee, but I don't consider that a good beginner/first bike either.

I'd be after something with small displacement, not too many spark plugs, ABS, open access, easy to work on, inexpensive insurance, not too costly, easy to park, etc. That way you can work on oil changes, adjustments and such yourself. Two up and such, you might need to wait for another bike.

I'd be surprised if either the R3 or the SV could carry over 400 lbs, but you'd have to check in the owner's manuals to find out. I doubt that any dealers would know.


edit: Ok GVWR for SV is 885 lbs. Wet weight is 437 lbs. I'll leave it for you to calculate, but I was wrong.

R3 can handle 353 lbs as per their owner's manual.
 
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Baggsy said:
I would have suggested a wee, but I don't consider that a good beginner/first bike either.

I'd be after something with small displacement, not too many spark plugs, ABS, open access, easy to work on, inexpensive insurance, not too costly, easy to park, etc. That way you can work on oil changes, adjustments and such yourself. Two up and such, you might need to wait for another bike.

I'd be surprised if either the R3 or the SV could carry over 400 lbs, but you'd have to check in the owner's manuals to find out. I doubt that any dealers would know.
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ok, so what bike in your opinion would fit such a description then? "Not too many spark plugs?"

i dont think iv ever counted how many of those the bikes have, whats that all about?

Also i noticed you left "Fun" out of the equation...kind of defeats the purpose of riding...

If you have a bike that meets all of the above and includes fun then im all ears
 
wth 9 pages and still going
you are 250lbs iirc
get a larger bike, move on
if the SV sucks, sell it buy a Kawi 650
if that sucks sell it and buy a busa

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bigpoppa said:
ok, so what bike in your opinion would fit such a description then? "Not too many spark plugs?"

i dont think iv ever counted how many of those the bikes have, whats that all about?

Also i noticed you left "Fun" out of the equation...kind of defeats the purpose of riding...

If you have a bike that meets all of the above and includes fun then im all ears
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My next bike might be a Honda 300 with ABS. To me that's where the fun is. In the meantime the Weestrom can do highways, take stuff, take passengers and is fun as well, so I'll be sitting tight.

Pretty much any bike will be fun, compared to what you have now.
Some of the bigger bikes can scare the bejebbers out of you, if you mess up.

The spark plug comment came from where some of the bloody, stuff on bikes is. I've had to run out and buy special tools to get at some parts, that don't seem to be meant to come out. If there's four spark plugs, you can almost guarantee that one of them will be nigh impossible to get at, without removing the engine. Guess which one the shop won't change?
I had to change the air filter in my Wee this year, a simple task, complicated by the fact that you need to remove the gas tank to get at it. Further complicated by the fact that you need to remove an awful lot of tupperware to get at the gas tank.


You need to figure out your priorities. For me, it would be learning to ride quickly and safely.


Edit: I'd take a Connie over D's Busa.
 
Baggsy said:
My next bike might be a Honda 300 with ABS. To me that's where the fun is. In the meantime the Weestrom can do highways, take stuff, take passengers and is fun as well, so I'll be sitting tight.

Pretty much any bike will be fun, compared to what you have now.
Some of the bigger bikes can scare the bejebbers out of you, if you mess up.

The spark plug comment came from where some of the bloody, stuff on bikes is. I've had to run out and buy special tools to get at some parts, that don't seem to be meant to come out. If there's four spark plugs, you can almost guarantee that one of them will be nigh impossible to get at, without removing the engine. Guess which one the shop won't change?
I had to change the air filter in my Wee this year, a simple task, complicated by the fact that you need to remove the gas tank to get at it. Further complicated by the fact that you need to remove an awful lot of tupperware to get at the gas tank.


You need to figure out your priorities. For me, it would be learning to ride quickly and safely.


Edit: I'd take a Connie over D's Busa.
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I have never come across a motorcycle that you need to remove the motor to get at a spark plug ffs.

Tank sure. But thats no issue, and ALL bikes have the tools to get at the plugs in the tool kit...
 
LWT is my size and if the bike is quick and fun for him(even on the highway) then the R3 it is
 
My sv650s costs just over $550 for the year with full coverage but I'm a old guy 47 so that plays into it.

Gas mileage isn't that bad depends on how you ride.

I started on 500 then to the sv 8 years ago and love it.

To each his own to choose what they ride.
 
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