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Tried. Went as far as protests. Nothing came of it. The unions back it because it makes it hard for us small guys to compete.
 
It's a new parliament. Ask and say that it's a form of double taxation to have both WSIB and private insurance but that if something was to happen you can't claim. That you should only have 1 or the other not both. Equate it to car insurance so they understand, being forced to pay for both private and public insurance on 1 vehicle only but not being able to collect from both. Go to
court if necessary.
 
Its not about paying for both, its about how much the WSIB wants. 10% is downright ******* ridiculous. People complain about bike and car insurance? For every 5k made, I'm paying $500 for literally nothing, and its NOT optional. AND I have to pay that 10% on the entire payroll to boot. Just brutal.
 
I'll try to help if I can. Maybe I can say something to my brand new NDP MPP once she gets sworn in and settled.
 
What if you converted to amish or eastern european, would you still have to pay in WSIB?


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There is a reason so much ink has been spilled on the Ontario deficit and debt over the last 10 years. And it isn't because people are fine with it.
We were hardest hit by both the exchange rate and the great recession due to our relative strength in the manufacturing sector. If we're going to reorient our economy to account for these macroeconomic changes, we need to spend money on infrastructure and services that benefit the sectors we want to target.
The alternative is to stay the course and hope those jobs all come back.
 
You're right, it can instead be managed by endless increases in debt and taxation. Hooray. The Liberals have done a stellar job thus far, right?

If that's what I thought I would have voted for them. But they are still less disastrous than the Conservatives.
 
Actually your riding is still PC. They decided it was a data entry error so they gave the 85 votes to the PC candidate instead. No doubt there'll be a recount, but at this very moment the fine riding of Thornhill is PC.

Ya, I noticed that later. Still, it shouldn't have been such a close race based on the results from February.
 
Does nothing for those of us in various levels of commercial or large residential project construction. I've had several million dollars of all kinds of liability and personal/corporate insurance for years, paid for out of pocket to State Farm, to cover my own ***. Then the WSIB effectively became mandatory.... well, the level of protection they provide is absolute GARBAGE compared to the kinds of insurance I pay for voluntarily... and they cost 100x more. Not just this, but I've had 2 friends who legitimately hurt themselves on the job and they said getting anything out of the WSIB was like pulling teeth.

So not only do these mother ****ing scumbag leeches take the employer for everything he's got, they also fight tooth and nail to avoid paying anything to those who get hurt at work. Just brutal.. and nobody on the outside knows about this stuff, or cares. Gets my blood boiling just thinking about it.



Asking me? Zero claims. Never so much as a scratch. They put you in a % bracket based on the work you do... in my case, its 9%. Other trades (roofers for example, I believe) have it even worse.

What would you expect of what is basically an insurance company with a monopoly and government support because they are saving the children?
 
People were scared of the Conservative plan because it was for more free markets. I have said it before, people in Ontario have the socialist mindset. You have been led to believe that lower prices or deflation is dangerous. It's the opposite. Just get ready for a mass exist of many private jobs out of Ontario.


If that's what I thought I would have voted for them. But they are still less disastrous than the Conservatives.
 
People were scared of the Conservative plan because it was for more free markets. I have said it before, people in Ontario have the socialist mindset. You have been led to believe that lower prices or deflation is dangerous. It's the opposite. Just get ready for a mass exist of many private jobs out of Ontario.

I will again, post this question, (and for the less mentally dexterous, substitute conservative for republican.)

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People were scared of the Conservative plan because it was for more free markets. I have said it before, people in Ontario have the socialist mindset. You have been led to believe that lower prices or deflation is dangerous. It's the opposite. Just get ready for a mass exist of many private jobs out of Ontario.

If the stock market deflates so does everything else. Pensions, banks, insurance companies, deposit insurance, all invest in the stock market. What happens when the market tanks as it will some day? Doomsday?

The recent collapse was largely "Fixed" out of taxpayer pockets. What happens when they are empty.

Solution: Get a civil service job at above average pay with wages guaranteed by the government plus lots of other perks.
 
The economy isn't the stock market. The stock market is an artificial casino designed for corporations to raise funds without having to deal with banks as much, which in turn are also listed.

If the stock market collapses which it won't, just corrections, farmers will keep farming, miners will keep mining, doctors will keep seeing people and so on. The only people who might be directly affected are the 1%ers who might lay off some minimum wage workers in rage.

Remember, all CEO compensation in North America is based on the "stock price". If the stock price was to go down the fast way to raise it is not by growing the organization to make it stronger and more competitive but by laying off workers because a salary not paid is less outflow so the stock price goes up again.

It would be better for all of us if our companies did not have CEO compensation based on the stock price. (Nortel is a good example of a company that fudged the books for this reason.)
Then a different metric for success would be found.

In other news there is a Star article this morning about a WSIB investigator following a claimant around secretly so they could disallow benefits. She is on welfare now.
 
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In other news there is a Star article this morning about a WSIB investigator following a claimant around secretly so they could disallow benefits. She is on welfare now.

Did she deserve the WSIB benefits in the first place?

If the investigator was really good he should move over to investigating the traffic accident scams that the insurers are using as excuses to bump premiums.
 
I didn't use the Fraser report at face value, not at all. Found some more info and linked it. Then moved beyond the spin and fluff to simply have a better look at the numbers between the jurisdictions keeping in mind their differences. I think that is reasonable.

You might also want to look at some of the analysis that shows California is using accounting tricks to hide something like an additional $400B in debt.
 
Unfortunately with the levels of fraud out there, WSIB has to do something about it. Is what they're doing right? I can't really say. Ever heard of someone being off a job, because of an injury, but working at exactly the same job under the table?
 
Detroit is a great example. Detroit public sector was very well paid, but the city has been turned into ruins. I can tell you now, the city of Toronto is becoming Detroit.


If the stock market deflates so does everything else. Pensions, banks, insurance companies, deposit insurance, all invest in the stock market. What happens when the market tanks as it will some day? Doomsday?

The recent collapse was largely "Fixed" out of taxpayer pockets. What happens when they are empty.

Solution: Get a civil service job at above average pay with wages guaranteed by the government plus lots of other perks.
 
Hyperbole. Detroit was a 1-industry town based on selling consumer goods that suffered along with many other places in the rust belt. Toronto isn't really a 1-industry town even if it looks that way because of the banks.
 
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