A buddy is working on the Ottawa light rail platforms fixing snow melting cables that got damaged during construction. Now you're telling me they are going to drill hundreds of holes in the platforms. Where is Darwin when you really need him?
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Why couldn't the subway be like the streetcars with the tracks level with the platforms?
Overhead power and a few wheelchair ramps for the disabled
My 19mm open/box end wrench would like to have a word with you.
That's just a con to sucker you into thinking it works with different sizes.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but a 19mm (.748") wrench is actually a better fit on a ¾" (.742" +/-avg.) nut/bolt head and is less likely to slip.
Try putting a 13mm socket on a ford starter bolt instead of the 1/2in. Let me know after you round it off how you feel
The VAST majority of machine tools (lathes, mills, grinders, punch presses) are dimensioned in imperial.
We're pretty good at going back and forth.
There WAS screw ups... I drew a warehouse in eastern Ontario, using 12.7mm/inch... the shop used 12.mm/inch. You could SEE the columns leaning over. NOT MY FAULT
The shop, to this day, uses a 13/16" die to make 21mm holes
We've had 50 years to get used to it... we're pretty good at it, once you get used to it, it's no big deal... I could use fathoms as a measurement if you want.
The truth IS: there is gonna be screwups no matter what you do.
What is a human life worth?
How many people are killed or injured on subway platforms each year.
When my brother lived in Beaverton s kid slipped out of the house late night to go to tobogganing and slid into the river and drowned. His parents wanted the river fenced
Part of the sidewalk on Lakeshore was fenced beaus a kid biking slid onto the roadway and was hit by a car
A kid I knew committed suicide by going into the Niagra river above the falls
Every one is a tragedy but would more survive if the money was spent on health care, education and mental health?
Fencing every river, lake, sidewalk, ledge and bridge isn’t the answer.
Some degree of collateral damage has to be accepted
Try putting a 13mm socket on a ford starter bolt instead of the 1/2in. Let me know after you round it off how you feel
You're not too good at comprehension, are you. Here ya go. 19 ≠ 13
I was giving you a challenge
I was giving you a challenge
I get it. It really upsets you that I don't like that orange idiot you fawn over. Just stick to whining about it in the US/Canada political threads. Chasing people around in other threads makes you look petty.
Really
you think to much of yourself if you’re thinking anyone is following you around a forum
Really
Yet here you are.
I get it, totally, and I spent a lot of time in my career explaining that risks cannot be completely eliminated from any human activity. The problem is that you run into the infamous situation in which Ford reportedly calculated the cost of fixing millions of Ford Pinto fuel tank shields and weighed that against the probable cost of the lawsuits that they expected to be involved in as a result of the foreseeable number of fires that they expected to be involved in, and determined that it wasn't worth doing the repair. The general public - and the lawyers that they hire! - don't understand this, and frown on viewpoints like that.
Having a fixed fence or handrail a metre or so back from the platform edge, with openings roughly lining up with where the doors on the subway are, isn't a terrible idea. Reason for having it a metre or so back: (1) maintains an escape path for someone who accidentally gets into a place where they shouldn't be, (2) maintains some flexibility for where the subway comes to a stop - the braking system was never intended to be precise - if it accidentally stops a little too early or late, people can still get on and off, (3) avoids the edge of each opening in the fence being itself a crush point against the moving train if it were positioned too closely.
Common sense is all too uncommon. This solution probably won't happen, because it isn't "perfect". Perfection is the enemy of the good enough.
FWIW the TTC platform gates/doors is not a new idea at all, it has been on the TTC's radar for a very long time. Here is Steve Munro talking about it in 2015 (Platform Edge Doors: Motherhood or a Vital Addition to the TTC Subway? (Updated)) and he is referencing TTC materials that date to 2010.
It has always been a matter of cost... AND some prequisites, such as ATC. The TTC does have ATC on line 1 and is developing it for line 2. Line 2 ATC on its own is estimated to be an $8.8 billion expense (TTC Line 2 Modernization Update)
It has always been a matter of cost... AND some prequisites, such as ATC. The TTC does have ATC on line 1 and is developing it for line 2. Line 2 ATC on its own is estimated to be an $8.8 billion expense (TTC Line 2 Modernization Update)
And it's on their "aspirational" list. They have many billions on the "required", "deferred" and similar lists that will get funded first unless a politician mucks with priorities.
While we’re all focused on the prevention of jumpers / pushers there’s another very important piece here…emergency evacuation.
Right now you basically have the ability for a full train to empty out very quickly.
Add in automatic doors / hard barriers and all of a sudden you have a SECOND bottleneck to empty out trains in a fast way.
High potential of casualties simply from the crush against a non functioning door or someone getting stuck between door barriers.
The Scarborough Subway extension was originally envisaged as a single stop (idiotic) idea. The ventilation requirements are so big for a 7km tunnel that the added stations are only 20-30% larger than the vent shafts.
Wanna know what a train does when it catches fire!? It keeps going (if possible) to the next station, the ventilation to suck out the smoke cranks up, and the station turns to an emergency evacuation conduit.
It won’t stop in the middle of at all possible because it’ll effectively suffocate everyone in it if they can’t get out fast enough. Needs to get to a station ASAP to empty the train and let people out.
Right now you basically have the ability for a full train to empty out very quickly.
Add in automatic doors / hard barriers and all of a sudden you have a SECOND bottleneck to empty out trains in a fast way.
High potential of casualties simply from the crush against a non functioning door or someone getting stuck between door barriers.
The Scarborough Subway extension was originally envisaged as a single stop (idiotic) idea. The ventilation requirements are so big for a 7km tunnel that the added stations are only 20-30% larger than the vent shafts.
Wanna know what a train does when it catches fire!? It keeps going (if possible) to the next station, the ventilation to suck out the smoke cranks up, and the station turns to an emergency evacuation conduit.
It won’t stop in the middle of at all possible because it’ll effectively suffocate everyone in it if they can’t get out fast enough. Needs to get to a station ASAP to empty the train and let people out.
I'm a pessimist. I foresee people using the meter of space as a preboarding location to "Beat the crowd". As more and more people try to beat the crowd the safety zone becomes overcrowded and with no room to step back, more dangerous than no barrier at all.
It's like drivers using the acceleration lane to get ahead in a traffic jam that wouldn't exist if people didn't abuse the acceleration lane.
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I lived in MIssissauga too.
Remember how bad Mcallion was and that she handpicked Crombie as her successor? Remember at one point Mcallion was collecting two salaries: one as the mayor and one as a professor/consultant at UTM?
Doug is the lesser of two evils. At least he gets things done. And if anyone but him gets in they'll derail everything he's done and the province will be back to square one again. Imagine if they cancelled the Ontario Line or reopened all the dead programs in the universities that he cancelled, or re-empowered the public sector unions to start sucking up our taxes again?
