Provincial Election

It really is amazing that Doug Ford is the best we can do.

It's also amazing how arrogant the OLP has been. To get re-elected, what do they do? Trot out the same people with the same policies that landed the party into non-status. That's truly unbelievable, but we're watching the same happen in the LPC now.
 
It's also amazing how arrogant the OLP has been. To get re-elected, what do they do? Trot out the same people with the same policies that landed the party into non-status. That's truly unbelievable, but we're watching the same happen in the LPC now.
At least they're consistent. If we elect LPC, we get the government we deserve and watch them spend billions with no metrics for success and no follow-up to determine if it was spent wisely. Spending and increasing the number of public sector workers is success enough in their vision.
 
In the stupid bribe category, apparently adults are getting the $200 "refunds" now and a separate batch of cheques will be around Feb 20 for children (in the parents name). Just in time to deposit on your way to vote. Why send one cheque for 400/600/800 when you can send multiple $200 cheques? More is better right? Why are kids getting "refunds" anyway? They didn't pay any tax. Facepalm.
 
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In the stupid bribe category, apparently adults are getting the $200 "refunds" now and a separate batch of cheques will be around Feb 20 for children (in the parents name). Just in time to deposit on your way to vote. Why send one cheque for 400/600/800 when you can send multiple $200 cheques. More is better right? Why are kids getting "refunds" anyway? They didn't pay any tax. Facepalm.
Maybe so those parents can spend the cheques on kid's toys and clothing, which happens to be tax free?
Could it all be........(anti) collusion?
 
Wife got her cheque for two hundred yesterday and laughed , that should buy us lunch on Friday at the airport on our way to Malta. Because her and her friends need the two hundred you get for passing Go . Idiots .


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In the stupid bribe category, apparently adults are getting the $200 "refunds" now and a separate batch of cheques will be around Feb 20 for children (in the parents name). Just in time to deposit on your way to vote. Why send one cheque for 400/600/800 when you can send multiple $200 cheques? More is better right? Why are kids getting "refunds" anyway? They didn't pay any tax. Facepalm.
Wynne cancels the gas plants to buy votes, which ends up costing a bit over $1billion. There are RCMP investigations, people are fired and she, quite rightly, gets the boot.

Ford directly bribes every citizen of Ontario to the tune of well over $3billion ($200 each x 15.8million citizens + admin and postage costs) and we're all OK with it????? And he just happens to call an early election just as the checks start rolling in. Then there's the $250 million that he spent cancelling the alcohol contracts early for absolutely no good reason. And let's not forget the cancelling of the licence renewal fees (~$1Billion in lost revenue EACH YEAR), plus the licence plate fee refunds that nobody asked for (over $2.2Billion).

By my reckoning the Ford government has so far spent at least $10 Billion of our money on projects that do nothing more than make him look like he's looking out for the average Joe by giving us each $5-600. I'd gladly forgo a $200 check if it meant that the government would spend that $3 billion building and staffing new medical imaging centers, or hiring new family doctors, or repaving our **** roads, or anything else that a government is supposed to do with our money. But no, Doug had to use my hard earned money to make himself look good.

I don't know what the alternative to Sugar Daddy Doug is. The liberals are a mess with no real plan or direction and the NDP are utter loons. The Greens have some solid ideas but also some social policies that make the NDP look restrained. I think that like many people in this thread, I'll just be holding my nose and voting for Dougy unless the liberals can pull their collective heads out of their own ***** in the next few weeks.

And that is a real damn shame.
 
Wynne cancels the gas plants to buy votes, which ends up costing a bit over $1billion. There are RCMP investigations, people are fired and she, quite rightly, gets the boot.

Ford directly bribes every citizen of Ontario to the tune of well over $3billion ($200 each x 15.8million citizens + admin and postage costs) and we're all OK with it????? And he just happens to call an early election just as the checks start rolling in. Then there's the $250 million that he spent cancelling the alcohol contracts early for absolutely no good reason. And let's not forget the cancelling of the licence renewal fees (~$1Billion in lost revenue EACH YEAR), plus the licence plate fee refunds that nobody asked for (over $2.2Billion).

By my reckoning the Ford government has so far spent at least $10 Billion of our money on projects that do nothing more than make him look like he's looking out for the average Joe by giving us each $5-600. I'd gladly forgo a $200 check if it meant that the government would spend that $3 billion building and staffing new medical imaging centers, or hiring new family doctors, or repaving our **** roads, or anything else that a government is supposed to do with our money. But no, Doug had to use my hard earned money to make himself look good.

I don't know what the alternative to Sugar Daddy Doug is. The liberals are a mess with no real plan or direction and the NDP are utter loons. The Greens have some solid ideas but also some social policies that make the NDP look restrained. I think that like many people in this thread, I'll just be holding my nose and voting for Dougy unless the liberals can pull their collective heads out of their own ***** in the next few weeks.

And that is a real damn shame.
I agree there are major priority issues and missteps. I am much happier with douggie giving/saving me $500+ than the libs giving $50 of my money to a private company to try to win a single seat in a single election.
 
I just don't understand how anyone can really call Dougie a conservative. Where's he making govt. smaller, less intrusive, fiscally responsible?

And yeah, that $200 is just ridiculous. The sad part is that there are a lot of people out there stupid enough to think it was a great thing for him to do. It's not like we're a half trillion in Provincial debt... right?
 
I just don't understand how anyone can really call Dougie a conservative. Where's he making govt. smaller, less intrusive, fiscally responsible?

And yeah, that $200 is just ridiculous. The sad part is that there are a lot of people out there stupid enough to think it was a great thing for him to do. It's not like we're a half trillion in Provincial debt... right?
I would love (but expect never to see) the ability to make a choice. As the $200 is entirely financed by debt that will never be paid off, allow me to take $200 now or a refundable tax credit (~$20/year) for the rest of my life as the government saved both the opportunity cost and the interest in perpetuity.
 
I just don't understand how anyone can really call Dougie a conservative. Where's he making govt. smaller, less intrusive, fiscally responsible?

And yeah, that $200 is just ridiculous. The sad part is that there are a lot of people out there stupid enough to think it was a great thing for him to do. It's not like we're a half trillion in Provincial debt... right?
he is centre-right. imo
 
For all of the elections, I just want fiscally responsible and near center. Sadly, the first doesn't really exist and even the second narrows my options significantly.
I'm with you.
 
That was confusing. It's a beaverton article but it's also factual. I am used to satire from them. Almost needs a warning to let you know things aren't as they seem.
 
That was confusing. It's a beaverton article but it's also factual. I am used to satire from them. Almost needs a warning to let you know things aren't as they seem.
Yes it's satire - biting satire. And for the most part they are equal opportunity satirists.
 
Crombie doesn't think she can win mississauga without a nine figure bribe. That should tell the rest of the province all they need to know. She promised $112M for new busses in mississauga if she wins.

 
Crazy crombie just promised >$4B for platform edge doors for TTC. "It's the price of safety, then so be it". Spend, spend, spend. There is no limit. Also promised 300 more special constables for transit. That's another ~$36M/yr in perpetuity.
 
There is no escape from vote-buying. They ALL do it.

As for the TTC platform edge doors ... on this particular situation, I get where she is coming from. Not the price tag, but the idea. I worked in industrial risk assessment and mitigation for 23 years up until retiring. If we applied our standard risk assessment methodology to an open train platform edge, it would not pass. Severity of foreseeable injury "High and possibly fatal". Frequency of exposure "High frequency to constant". Avoidance "possible under some circumstances" (though if someone falls off the edge just as the train approaches, that isn't going to be one of those circumstances). The moment there is a foreseeable "fatal" the recommended course of action is "Hazard elimination". What's there now (a painted line!) is an "Awareness means", which is only permissible for the most trivial of negligible risks.

The automated shuttle-train at Pearson airport, between the terminals and the Viscount parking lot/garage, is operated by a private company, and was built much more recently ... and has automated doors on the platform to stop someone falling off.
 
Crazy crombie just promised >$4B for platform edge doors for TTC. "It's the price of safety, then so be it". Spend, spend, spend. There is no limit. Also promised 300 more special constables for transit. That's another ~$36M/yr in perpetuity.
Every new subway project is getting prepared for platform edge doors BEFORE the stations are built and it’s stupidly expensive.

The cost goes up x10 if you’re retrofitting it as there is a huge amount of work.

Safety is expensive, but I don’t believe the issue is large enough to burn through billions for this project.

My friends in consulting would disagree though.
 
Every new subway project is getting prepared for platform edge doors BEFORE the stations are built and it’s stupidly expensive.

The cost goes up x10 if you’re retrofitting it as there is a huge amount of work.

Safety is expensive, but I don’t believe the issue is large enough to burn through billions for this project.

My friends in consulting would disagree though.
I agree with Brian's point about the risk of open edges. Knowing what a complete crapfest transit construction projects are and then the maintenance nightmare after (I think problems with the doors would greatly increase transit downtime), I think it is not a great solution. As an interim measure, I don't see a reason that 90% of the platform edge shouldn't have a fixed guard rail. No moving parts, durable and cheap. Leave gaps where the doors are. But no, the only solution ttc considers are a painted line or floor to ceiling glass and automated doors.
 
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