Protect Our Children PLEASE Read
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I'm late to this, just read the above article and browsed around the supposed website that is going to corrupt innocent impressionable kids (LOL!), www.positive.org. Maybe it's cause I don't have kids, but I see absolutely nothing objectionable on there
no, I'm clearly implying that sexual orientation is no more a choice than race is.
awyala
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My point is that sexual preference is a choice or habit and can be changed, either by choice or through persuasion or other means. How is that dogma? My point is that the "God is love" or "God made a mistake" argument is a ploy, and superficial, as is the "born this way" argument is. Once again, you may need to review what exactly dogma means. The thesaurus is not your best starting point for that.
awyala
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Maybe I have choice-ophilia!
Sabex
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Incorrect.
It is very hard to change how your brain reacts to certain things. Unless you want doctors to shock your brainbits with electricity; or get into some experimental and theoretical "science."
You can PRETEND to like/not like, something. But you will still like/not like it as you previously did.
Other than that, a+
awyala
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Sexuality begins after nearly 10 years of influence, persuasion and a culture of comformity. Conversely rebellion and seeking other affiliations is also well represented before anyone reaches sexual maturity. There is plenty of time for habits, disorders, complexes and so forth to develop.
Remember when you were 4 and you thought the opposite sex was icky?!?! WE ALL DID!!!! Didn't mean we were gay!!! Guess what a few years later, and my opinion changed!!! By that time I had seen enough to know what was normal in society. Do you really think it is as simple as predetermined sexual programming?
Explain why a dog will hump a leg then? When they are even more hard wired into their behaviour than we are! Are dogs Sapien-sexuals too? Their drive is to hump something, and they will take what they can get. Human's are the same way, and society corals them into social conformity. Leave a man to his own devices and he will hump his hand, a hole in a wall, a goat, another man (in prison), a fat ugly girl, you name it! And even promiscuity can be over come through choice and free will over instinct. We are not slaves to instinct the way other lower order animals are.
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awyala
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Explain each "philia" on that list then.
awyala
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You need to have a hard look at your own life and review if there is anything you changed your mind about in your life when it came to preferences. You will find you sure as hell can change preferences and habits. You will also admit that the mind has a way of also getting stuck in a spiral where it can never come back from. These complexes or disorders can develop and reach a point of no return. On the other hand, some spirals of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, violence and so on can be reversed with concerted effort. The mind is much more pliable then you are willing to be honest about.
Ill believe that it is a mental illness/condition when you find something in THE worldwide reference for Mental Health related diagnosis, DSM IV, that states that homosexuality is a disorder. Because i think that the people building this huge reference must have examined said subjects.
Until you can find me something demonstrating that in this kind of scholarly reference, you can say that "same sex attraction being a disorder" is a belief/understanding that you might share with other people.
Until you can find me something demonstrating that in this kind of scholarly reference, you can say that "same sex attraction being a disorder" is a belief/understanding that you might share with other people.
Sabex
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If it was so easy to change, don't you think more people would be "turning" straight? The majority of the homos I know would much much rather be straight.
Alcoholics don't like alcohol, they love the feeling of happiness the alcohol brings them; and how it makes them forget all of their worries. If they find something else to make them happy/occupy themselves they stop abusing drugs, alcohol, etc so much.
And the moment their new found distraction fails, or the moment they touch alcohol again; they're gone back to heavy bingeing.
Yes I could choose to sleep with women instead. But that doesn't change the fact that I find them physically repulsive. I find masculine figures attractive; thus I'm gay. I can't just choose to find females physically attractive.
There is nothing you can naturally do.
You can, however, take substances to alter your brains chemical makeup/how it behaves. You can dive into experimental mind manipulation to trick the brain. You can force a stockholm syndrome (personally my favorite type of experiment to play around with) effect. And some other things.
I will admit, the brain can be changed; but it's not so easy. It could take years, sometimes decades, to produce even minor results. And you do it by FORCING your brain to think different, you can't just wake up one day and say "I think I'll find women attractive now." And last I checked, being forced is the exact opposite of having a choice.
I will however, also agree that is can partly be caused by how you were raised/born as a child and what you experienced; because a child's brain is a lot easier to manipulate than an adult's brain (see above examples). But for the most part, it's just the chemical makeup of your body/brain that determines what you prefer.
Have you ever tried a food you've never tried before, and hated it? Did you decide to hate it before tasting it, or did you just tasted it and wait to see how your body reacts? Did you decided what you liked to touch, and what you didn't? Did you just say "I think I like the feeling of rubber. I think I hate the feeling of leather" without actually touching it to see how it feels?
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I've actively tried to encourage my daughter to be a lesbian since the day she was born. Basically I've told her that girls are beautiful and boys are yucky. I've also said that I hope she marries a nice girl. Guess what? She is six and has five boyfriends in her class, lol.
My son is ten and just yesterday told me that he finds older women attractive. He said he doesn't get how men could find other men attractive. I explained to him that that is because he isn't gay, but I he was he would find men attractive.
I am the kind of straight guy that always plays to the gay jokes, like when someone calls me gay I always tell them how hot I find them, lol. I am super open with my kids that there are gay people and straight people and that it doesn't matter either way. I debate with my religious parents about gay rights.
Awayla, you spew nothing but verbal diarrhea. You just throw a bunch of crap out there and hope something sticks. You are a religious quack. I can't say how I really feel because this site is run in the PG-13 version of the Internet.
My son is ten and just yesterday told me that he finds older women attractive. He said he doesn't get how men could find other men attractive. I explained to him that that is because he isn't gay, but I he was he would find men attractive.
I am the kind of straight guy that always plays to the gay jokes, like when someone calls me gay I always tell them how hot I find them, lol. I am super open with my kids that there are gay people and straight people and that it doesn't matter either way. I debate with my religious parents about gay rights.
Awayla, you spew nothing but verbal diarrhea. You just throw a bunch of crap out there and hope something sticks. You are a religious quack. I can't say how I really feel because this site is run in the PG-13 version of the Internet.
How much 'concerted effort' would it take to turn you into a homo?
They are all developed in the same way.
I can believe the "born with it" gig.. My "Gigantic Weapon of Mass Destruction" only ever got activated by thinking about/actions committed by females, never got activated by thinking about dudes. Also, through genetics and/or development you acquire other preferences.. In my world, bossy chicks (in bed only) rule and "dead ****" = "no repeat ****s". Please note that being married (to a chick.. hot.. tyvm), this is all theoretical discussion b/c I'd get murdered with my own guns whether I go pink or brown on anything but the Mrs 
I can believe the "born with it" gig.. My "Gigantic Weapon of Mass Destruction" only ever got activated by thinking about/actions committed by females, never got activated by thinking about dudes. Also, through genetics and/or development you acquire other preferences.. In my world, bossy chicks (in bed only) rule and "dead ****" = "no repeat ****s". Please note that being married (to a chick.. hot.. tyvm), this is all theoretical discussion b/c I'd get murdered with my own guns whether I go pink or brown on anything but the Mrs
So like a lot of us you realize that you didnt have to choose what your attracted to.
Every time Someone argues that sexual preference is a choice I cant help but believe they are running away from their actual preference.
awyala
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Hmmmm I wonder. Then again it would take a lot to change my culture and belief system, and yet I wasn't born that way either. The human brain literally wires itself well past birth forming new neural connectors every day well into early adolescence.
Research the girl raised by dogs in Russia to see what I mean. It took a massive concerted effort to rid her of her dog like behaviour.
[video=youtube;93HymGXC_wM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93HymGXC_wM[/video]
That's usually the thought that goes through my head too. Especially when uber-socially conservative politicians end up getting caught with their pants down (literally) in some gay sex scandal.
That's sure working well for the Catholic church. If you need crutches, go to the hospital. They'll give you real ones.
