awyala
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I'll accept your anecdotal observation and wait on more observations from yourself and others to continue to form my opinion about social norms. Let us test if you are indeed indicative of social norms and perceptions.
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I'll accept your anecdotal observation and wait on more observations from yourself and others to continue to form my opinion about social norms. Let us test if you are indeed indicative of social norms and perceptions.
Homosexuality was lumped in with those in the past but it has gained acceptance. Some of those may gain acceptance in the future.
awyala
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Yes indeed. You will find the great example of Western society (Greece), once accepted and encouraged homosexuality, incest, peadophelia, polygamy, promiscuity and misogyny. Then they stopped all of that. Ru,es change as you alluded to. Norms are relative. Was Greece great for allowing what it did, or is that what marked its decline? Did incest help or hinder ancient Egyptians and Greeks? Investigate.
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awyala
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Great point. So rules are flexible and are neither about being right or wrong? More like social common codes, neither universal in geographic or temporal terms, merely a reflection of mass opinion?
In this case propaganda becomes an extremely potent vector....which is the primacy of the OP's initial point.
awyala
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Guide me. Explain.
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I have finished proving my point actually.
Sexual orientation is not a choice. Sorry but repressing feels is not changing what you actually feel.
I am attracted consenting women, I don't repress anything and I cant say I would be happy if I had to.
You on the other hand, lead me to believe your not in the same boat.
awyala
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No it seems we are not in the same boat. I do not regard emotional or behavioural modification as suppression in a negative light. I have never been in a violent altercation, having suppressed feelings of anger and rage in the past, instead expressing them in constructive non-violent ways. You are right, I appear not to allow my feelings to supersede other considerations. We are not in the same boat by your account it seems.
So now we have thumpers in the thread telling people how they should raise their own children?
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1. I am open and honest in preparing them for the real world.
2. Anyone who believes in a imaginary beings based on a book is a quack.
3. Yes. When there is no factual basis for your belief then you are a quack.
4. I haven't bought into anything. I have tolerance for others that think different or act different than me.
5. I have lots of morals and believe in tolerance for others who cause no harm to others.
6. Who's god? Your made up one, or the other guys. The judeo christian god, or maybe the norse gods, perhaps it's the aztecs. Again, who's fairy tales have I drifted from?
7. I am a very good person. Every "great" culture in history has gone down because of religion. It's hate that is propagated by religion that will bring down people down. Someone doing something that DOES NOT HARM OTHERS is of no concern to others.
It's disgusting when someone tells them they should raise their children to hate others because of the way they were born.
Sabex
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At the same time you shouldn't FORCE your children to accept something.
Let them make that decision themselves, when the time is right; they'll naturally form their own opinion if left alone.
If they come and ask you a question about it, sure answer the question; but don't shove the topic down their throat if they aren't asking about it.
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OpenGambit
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the law as it stands thinks your opinion is stupid. maybe you should have chose to exist 100 years ago instead.
Ok man, I'll try not to force my kids to be kind and tolerant of others. Sorry, I get what you're saying, and I'm not dragging them out to the gay section of town and making them watch gays make out. I only stand up for and believe that they should have the same rights as the rest of us and I will be vocal about that.
Sabex
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It just seemed like, from what you posted, that you're forcing your kids into accepting them. it's okay to try and push them into the right direction; but ultimately in the end it's their decision. Sorry if I misunderstood.
There's also a lot of discrimination against straight people from homosexuals. They're trying to fight fire with fire. They think just because people discriminate against them it's okay to do it in return. Most of them are just hypocrites, preaching love and tolerance but express hatred for all who oppose them.
It's like women's right. Women whined and complained until they got equal right. And now you have a lot of women whining and complaining that they should be treated BETTER than guys. Simply because of their past (this also comes into effect with slavery, natives, WWII etc.) Gays will do the exact same if they ever do get equal right (which they have now, they just don't realize it. It's called classifying yourself as a human, and not thinking being gay has anything to do with anything and should warrant a special label placed on your head because everyone needs to know.)
I'm a fan of PUTTING THE PAST BEHIND YOU, and MOVING THE FREAK ON.
Sorry for that mini rant...
Cool man, that's what I figured you meant, no need to apoligize.
I didn't know that they are like that. I guess it's like colored people being racist while thinking its ok because some ignorant people are racist against them.
I couldn't agree more about moving on and not living in the past. Unfortunately as long as people get their "morals" from a fiction book written 2000 years ago it will be hard to put the past behind us.
awyala
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So now we have thumpers in the thread telling people how they should raise their own children?
The thread is about humpers in the education system telling us how to raise our children. Oops typo in there somewhere i'm sure.
awyala
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Laws change. Majorities become minorities and visa versa. Your logic is impeccable...."shut up because you're the minority, don't question the law". As usual I am in awe of your inability to appreciate flexibility or render intepretation in the legal system.
I've seen this happening amongst some in the homosexuality community. I guess there's a siege mentality that can happen when one isolates themselves amongst a particular group. And of course, it can ultimately defeat the entire purpose of what's they're trying to do, which is to make it a NON ISSUE.
We're all human beings first and foremost, and shouldn't be defined by our sexual orientation. But in addition, we shouldn't be discriminated against or bullied because of it either. If the schools want to teach children that gay people exist and that it's OK, then I don't see what the problem is (obviously). It will save a lot of self-hatred for anyone who is experiencing these conflicting feelings, and hopefully prevent some kids from bullying and tormenting some kid who doesn't quite fit in.
If parents still want to have the ability to tell their kids that homosexuals are deviant and/or immoral, then do so. The schools can't stop you from teaching whatever you want at home.
