Privatize LCBO

Should the LCBO be privatized?

  • Yes. I want to get my booze wherever. Quebec had it right all along!

    Votes: 38 50.0%
  • No. We need to keep this cash cow under gov't control.

    Votes: 38 50.0%

  • Total voters
    76
Some of you are such fear-mongers. Somehow privatization will be the cause of great unemployment, insane crime rates, drunk kids, etc etc... give me a break.

How about having a look at the rest of the world?

Hell, I had an easier time buying beer in Jakarta than I do here. They are mostly muslim, yet I could go into any convenience store at any time of the day or night and buy beer for a $1 or $2 a can.

I don't know why so many Canadians think that government needs to run everything or society will go to hell. How about letting adults be adults and make their own decisions? Government should get out of our lives and keep it simple - reduce government and you can reduce the amount of tax that needs to be taken in.

Lets look at the rest of the world that would reflect on Canada

alberta showed increased distribution cost after privatization (less profits)
alberta has 1/4 of the selection of product
Distribution costs were passed onto the consumer
in areas around liquor stores crime is higher
hours of availability wouldn't change, you won't see 24/7 liquor stores, even in Quebec and Alberta you can't buy after I think 10pm
Ontario would lose the profit portion of the sales (but would still keep the tax portion, Ontario would just raise taxes to make up the short fall)
loss of better paying jobs

on the plus side you wouldn't have to travel over 5km to buy liquor
 
So how about Quebec?

The prices are cheaper, and I've seen pretty decent selection at the shops I've been to there.
The hours are negotiable. If Alberta is forced to close at 10pm doesn't mean Ontario has to have the same rules -- although they probably would being the nanny province they are.
I don't see distribution being a big deal if grocery stores and Costco are let into the action, after all, they get thousands of goods from all over the planet.
Do you have any stats to back up the crime increasing thing... or are you just tossing that one out for effect?
Ontario could make profit from any goods they sell... that doesn't mean that Ontario should be selling everything. I don't agree that the government should be selling alcohol.
A loss of good paying jobs -- potentially -- but more opportunity for entrepreneurs. We, as tax payers, don't owe the LCBO workers an income. Let them find other decent paying jobs or start a company selling booze since they have the skills.

By the way, alcohol sales is already private in Ontario. The Beer Store is a private and owned by a conglomerate of beer companies. The only difference I think there should be is a reduction of regulations regarding alcohol sales and the elimination of this monopoly that The Beer Store enjoys.

Lets look at the rest of the world that would reflect on Canada

alberta showed increased distribution cost after privatization (less profits)
alberta has 1/4 of the selection of product
Distribution costs were passed onto the consumer
in areas around liquor stores crime is higher
hours of availability wouldn't change, you won't see 24/7 liquor stores, even in Quebec and Alberta you can't buy after I think 10pm
Ontario would lose the profit portion of the sales (but would still keep the tax portion, Ontario would just raise taxes to make up the short fall)
loss of better paying jobs

on the plus side you wouldn't have to travel over 5km to buy liquor
 
I wonder whom is benefitting from the privatization of the LCBO...it certainly won't be Ontario or its citizens.

http://www.yorku.ca/nuri/lcbo.htm
It's an older report, but valid.

It didn't work for Ontario Hydro and it isn't working for the Beer Store.
 
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I wonder whom is benefitting from the privatization of the LCBO...it certainly won't be Ontario or its citizens.

http://www.yorku.ca/nuri/lcbo.htm
It's an older report, but valid.


As a libertarian, any reduction of government control is a benefit in itself.

From past experience, very few monopolies have benefited the consumer.
 
The LCBO is actually quite beneficial for the consumer from a selection standpoint. their vintages selection is amazing and one of the best in the world, its because of buying power.


That being said, I don't really see it as the role of government,
 
Prices wont be reduced, might as well have that money pay for stuff then have to raise taxes to make up the lost income. Like the op said the 407 sale is a prime example of this going south.

The 407 is different. Privatizing LCBO you'll introduce competition thus have sale prices whereas 407 has no competition so they can set whatever price they want.

Here in Calgary some beer stores open until 2am everyday even Sunday where in Ontario beer stores close around 6pm. Beer stores regularly send out flyers advertising sales such as the recent 24 can budweiser for $30.

It's good for the public but not for the government. Most stuff you buy in Calgary is more expensive than Toronto except booze. Ever wonder why?
 
I said something similar

http://m.thestar.com/news/canada/po...d-the-lcbo-the-beer-store-is-an-embarrassment

As you stock up at The Beer Store for Christmas, consider this gift idea from Tory Leader Tim Hudak: The end of an 85-year post-prohibition tradition of distribution in Ontario.
When it comes to beer, the right winger is right.
But before you raise a glass to Hudak, a note of caution: He also wants to sell off the LCBO, a far more complicated and controversial proposal that has no traction.
Hudak’s plan to privatize our booze stores and liberate our beer stores is, of course, a naked pitch for votes — the latest in a long line of proposals from politicians trying to profit from sour grapes among drinkers:
David Peterson mooted it in 1985, Mike Harris raised it a decade later and Dalton McGuinty revived it five years ago. But each time, Queen’s Park reconsidered the LCBO’s multi-billion-dollar cash flow and clung to it.
Rightly so. For all its faults — and I’ve written a few columns detailing them — the LCBO isn’t so bad that it can’t be fixed. The bottom line is that it’s worth more to our treasury as an ongoing government monopoly than as a privatized, atomized free-for-all.
Dismantling the booze monopoly would devalue its overall worth, diluting the final sales price and depriving the treasury of future revenues to fund government operations — without any assurance of better service (as Alberta has discovered).
Let’s set aside an LCBO sell-off for now, and consider Hudak’s better idea for beer. Not only is he right on this, it turns out most of us have the wrong idea about the Beer Store and its 440 outlets to begin with.
If I told you that government has no business in the Beer Stores of the province, I’d be wrong — because the government does not, in fact, own or run The Beer Store.
If I complained that those powerful Canadian-based breweries that run the Beer Store cartel should be forced to give up their quasi-monopoly, I’d still be wrong — because Labatt, Molson and Sleeman aren’t actually Canadian-owned any more.
In fact, the Beer Store is ultimately owned by three foreign multinationals: Anheuser-Busch InBev, Molson Coors and Sapporo. In what other country does an elected government act as an enabler for a foreign-owned cartel — based in Belgium, Brazil, the U.S. and Japan — that wields monopoly power on beer sales in such a lucrative, captive market? Who voted for this?
True, it’s technically a duopoly — with two players in the market: You can find a selection of mostly high-end beers across the street at the LCBO, but sales are largely restricted to six-packs. If you want the most popular brands, packaged in cases of 24, you must buy from The Beer Store — hence its unbeatable 80-per-cent market share.
Time has passed The Beer Store by, but we’re still stuck with a model conceived in 1927: Post-Prohibition, wine and spirits went to the LCBO while lower-alcohol beer was entrusted to a distribution co-operative formed by every brewery in Ontario. Over time, Brewers’ Retail snapped up all retail operations, and industry consolidation reduced its ownership to a handful of dominant breweries.
Today, it’s an anachronism run from abroad. And it’s indefensible, unless you believe in the British East India Company model of squeezing colonial markets.
Pay no heed to propaganda from the big beer lobby about how well it handles recycling. That’s just recycled greenwashing, and can’t countenance the cartel’s attempt to spare the sale of suds from competition — in perpetuity.
Ignore the arguments about its cost-effective distribution network compared to corner stores. Beer would also be sold by Costco and the big supermarkets that know what they’re doing (as they do in Quebec.)
Prices might not go down — hidden taxes won’t go away — and might even rise. That’s a price worth paying for the added convenience and coherence of dismantling a distribution strategy designed for 1927, not 2012.
Service can only improve. Presentation would probably perk up: Compare your local Beer Store, with its utilitarian displays that feel frozen in time, with the more updated look at LCBO stores, which have become more responsive to customers.
Unlike a risky privatization of the LCBO, pulling the plug on The Beer Store wouldn’t cost the treasury a penny. It’s not even an ideological question pitting government ownership versus privatization.
Leave the LCBO alone for now — Ontarians already own it, and it helps pay the bills. The Beer Store, however, is an embarrassment. It’s an outdated operation crying out for an update — an indefensible, secretive monopoly that serves foreign interests. Not Ontarians’ interests.
Who better than Hudak’s Tories — who don’t usually play the economic nationalist card — to liberate beer distribution from foreign domination and monopoly manipulation?
Martin Regg Cohn’s provincial affairs column appears Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. mcohn@thestar.ca, twitter.com/reggcohn.
 

I'd be happy with them breaking up the Beer Store's monopoly as a start. Allow convenience stores/grocery stores/costco to sell beer and wine, keep everything else at the lcbo.

In fact, now that I think about it, most of my rants above weren't even directed to the LCBO -- I almost never go there anyway. My rants were towards the Beer Store and their limited hours (tied to LCBO's).
 
l live in ottawa so lf l want cheap beer .lts a 10 minute drive to quebec..there no reason way it shouldnt be sold in stores .we pay to much for beer,wine,etc
 
I'd be happy with them breaking up the Beer Store's monopoly as a start. Allow convenience stores/grocery stores/costco to sell beer and wine, keep everything else at the lcbo.

In fact, now that I think about it, most of my rants above weren't even directed to the LCBO -- I almost never go there anyway. My rants were towards the Beer Store and their limited hours (tied to LCBO's).


see i don't go to the beer store because i prefer beer that they don't usually have. most comercial beers give me gut rot and bloating... i prefer guinness or similar in a can, sweet wines or liquor. i like the selection the lcbo has.
 
^ Same here, I never really went to the Beer Store because I didn't like the selection. I found the LCBO had a more eclectic selection of beer, and often got to try new brands and seasonal brews.
 
I shop straight from a local brewery but I also like to try some stuff at LCBO that's unavailable at Beer Store.
 
Ya go ahead and blow up the beer store...most guys would like the local convenience store to carry beer. When it all comes out in the wash ...better or worse you now know what to do about the LCBO. Wonder who will take the empties?
 
I shop straight from a local brewery but I also like to try some stuff at LCBO that's unavailable at Beer Store.

Which brewery is that? Queensway/Islington one?

IMHO, Beer store has zero selection anyway, just mainstream cheap booze. All beers that I like are only being sold in very few LCBOs. Same for tasting new stuff - have to go to LCBO. The only time I go to beer store is to return empty bottles once a month or so. So I really don't care if BS (nice acronym!) is open, closed, gone or private-operated.
 
Which brewery is that? Queensway/Islington one?

IMHO, Beer store has zero selection anyway, just mainstream cheap booze. All beers that I like are only being sold in very few LCBOs. Same for tasting new stuff - have to go to LCBO. The only time I go to beer store is to return empty bottles once a month or so. So I really don't care if BS (nice acronym!) is open, closed, gone or private-operated.

Yeah, Cool Beer.. I love their Millennium Buzz and they also got a pretty good Weissbier (wheat beer - more of a REAL flavour). It's a short drive from here, the price is right and the service is very friendly.. All of the profits go to the local brewer
 
Yeah, because everyone lives your life and keeps your schedule, right?

So night shift workers must be 'consumed with alcohol' if they want to buy beer at 8am when they finish their shift? How about those on the afternoon shift who sometimes have to work 12 hour shifts (10 to 10, for example) -- I guess they shouldn't be able to buy beer during the week because you and cruisergirl are happy with the hours your gracious government has granted for you to buy alcohol.

I get off work at 11:30pm and the beer store is just around the corner from my workplace. Pick up 6 Canadians for $10. Nice to have a beer store close at 2am.
 
I have worked late shift, I would plan ahead... I used to keep beer in the fridge, and privatization wouldn't make booze available 24/7, look at Quebec and Alberta they still have restrictions on when booze can be sold (can't buy beer or wine in the corner store after 10pm). Even parts of the USA, I say parts because I don't know of any that allow booze 24/7 but booze is controlled state to state or even county to county (there are some dry counties where you are not allowed to buy or have booze at all). Our beer distribution is privatized and has fewer outlets and worse hours than the lcbo (I believe some lcbo stores are open to 11 pm certain nights depending on the time of year).

How hard is it to buy your booze on the way to work?


The hours at Beer Stores are matched by the LCBO. All big store are open until 11pm Mon thru Sat and 11 to Sunday. We also make no profit the brewers pay the Beer Store for building repair and employee wages.

We are streamlined thats why you see small amounts of staff compared to the LCBO as thats your tax money paying their staff. They also refused to take back empties as they didn't want to lose selling space and the government came to The Beer Store and we signed another 5 year deal this 2012.
 
I'd be happy with them breaking up the Beer Store's monopoly as a start. Allow convenience stores/grocery stores/costco to sell beer and wine, keep everything else at the lcbo.

In fact, now that I think about it, most of my rants above weren't even directed to the LCBO -- I almost never go there anyway. My rants were towards the Beer Store and their limited hours (tied to LCBO's).

WOW We are a monopoly??????? We are controlled by? THE LCBO they tell us we can only sell Beer yet they can sell Beer and wine. Please get your facts in order before saying The Beer Store is a monopoly.
 
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