+1 my thoughts exactly
Poll-Do you believe in capital punishment?
- Thread starter bunmanchi
- Start date
I was 15 and got two years probation for 8 B&E's. Luckily there was/is the YOA so that doesn't haunt me for the test of my life. I'm. It saying in every case the lesson is learned, but in mine it was. I had a good home environment to go back on, many people don't, and therein lies the actual problem. You can send people to hell, but if they have to go back to where they came from, chances are good that they will reoffend.
OpenGambit
Banned
He is just showing up here arguing with his feelings. I must say, I am amused. lol
Pirate
Active member
Many problems arise from capital punishment. Many which have been stated: innocents being executed, higher cost than incarceration, morality of does killing justify killing, the list goes on.
When Canada abolished capital punishment one thing they found was the conviction rate of capital crimes went up. That is not to say more people were committing the crimes, but a jury was more likely to give a guilty verdict when they weren't worried they would be responsible for the death of a person.
When Canada abolished capital punishment one thing they found was the conviction rate of capital crimes went up. That is not to say more people were committing the crimes, but a jury was more likely to give a guilty verdict when they weren't worried they would be responsible for the death of a person.
OpenGambit
Banned
I agree, the problem is we usually aren't talking about crimes by the sophisticated who go into a cost benefit analysis - ie. insider trading or something - harsher penalties do mean something and are more effecitve in those cases.
the problem is that many crimes, especially violent ones, are spontenous events where the penalty isn't even a factor in the consideration.
The prisons that you describe already exist/have existed, they don't do jack **** to limit crime. Just the first list that popped up in Google, http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-deadliest-prisons-world.php
Have you even known anyone that's been to prison? Try talking to some people and see how much they want to go back.
I'm in the middle of exams. If I type or say another legal word I might snap. You got this until January
I will say that from knowing Corrections guys, the Don Jail is a MUCH worse place to be than Kingston Pen.
Splash
Well-known member
Still feel the same if it was someone in your family? No you wouldn't.
Mr.Azim
Well-known member
Wow, I'm tired of this excuse. The days of David Milgaard and those guys are pretty much over............. there was a technology gap from when this stuff happened.
It's like that fat-*** who is supposed to get injected but claims his "too fat" to die that way. Give the death-sentence'ers 25 years, if they live past that 25th day, inject them.
At least if technology develops in that time there will be a new way to appeal and prove if they really are innocent...... if there isn't, then they aren't cluttering the prisons with their guilty-selves.
Splash
Well-known member
BullSh&T. There's people everyday that go to jail for something they haven't done. This is the real world, not some fantasy world you think it is.
awyala
Guest
Do laws deter crime? What "deters" crime? Crime still ocurs even though we have laws. Any stats that support crime figures when there is no law or punishment? Do people speed less that traffic fines are issued?
The "death penatly doesn't deter crime" argument is weak. By that reasoning even laws and punishment doesn't detercrime. We should all be having snuggly polite worded intervensions over hot coco before a liesurely strole over the the rehab clinic.
The point of capital punishment is not necessarily a deterant. It is partly to remove a habitual / chronic or incorregeable member of society from that society. Banishment is no longer an option. Death is the removal option at no additional expense to the public. I don't have North American figures, but in the Uk it costs $100k / yr to house, feed and detain a prisoner. The average income is less than $50k!!!!
So why again is society footing the bill? Why are we deluded into believing in the humanist myth of rehabilitation? Because we think there is no God to sort them out when they die? Because this is the only chance / life they have, and even the sickest killer shouldn't be stripped of some "right" to life?
Well even in a Godless justice system, the final justice is man made laws, and the laws of a society. We become the ultimate definition of Truth and justice as there is no higher being to ursurp our judgements and understandings. There is no future generation to judge us. There is only us, here and now, dealing with a psycho. We, even as humanists have a right to take another's life, especially when that psycho took the rights of others.
Humans are utter vile creaters with sparks of greatness. Humanism is misplaced to think every human example or specimin is a example of the whole. We can take Darwinian measures into our own hands and "cut the fat".
In a Godly system, well it's sanctioned and God is the ultimate judge who will sort it all out later. Life doesn't end with death, merely the executed is removed from the test that is this world, due to their own complete premature failure, or having caused others to fail through derailing others from their own fair shot at existence on this Earth free from evil and human inflicted misery.
In both systems capital punishment is valid. Only the deluded humanist who thinks any and everything human is sacred will advocate the rights of he who would rob others of their rights.
Last edited:
I've no idea what prison is like but I heard an interview with some foot ball player that went to prison. He described how other inmates would decorate their cells to make them look really fancy. All paper but they would have nicer places in jail than out. This guy decorated with nothing more than a pic of his wife and kids. He kept him self motivated to never go back. Have to make prison less pleasant than freedom, with in reason.
We also have to give those that can be trained a fighting chance when they are out to stay out.
As for incurables sociopaths/psychopaths/child molesters/rapists, those can go to work camps up north.
We also have to give those that can be trained a fighting chance when they are out to stay out.
As for incurables sociopaths/psychopaths/child molesters/rapists, those can go to work camps up north.
awyala
Guest
All prisoners should work to pay for their keep! They should pay to reform their minds!
Psychos corrupt even those in prison on the path of reformation. They endanger even prison society! There are some that should be banished completely, maybe they can start a new life as Martial colonists or something. Either way they some should not be allowed to be a part of any society.
They can spend their new life raping cute little rover robots or something, if even you can trust them with that equipment.
Maybe on a inhabited island like Australia.....
awyala
Guest
Very few places left to exile a human where they would be no harm to others, and maybe have crack at a new life at no charge to the rest of society.
If human colonization of Mars becomes a reality, it might be a good option. You know for industrial terra forming or something, not like the vanguard of scientists or anything.
Yes, like the "Australia of the future" minus the chance of ruining the lives of any native populations of course.
our legal system is corrupt in Canada... look at homolka she got off to easy, she should have never have had the rights to be free, she and Paul should have been let loose to the Open and got what they both deserve..now that's punishment ....
Last edited:
It's a good thing your opinion doesn't really matter!
It's very obvious you know nothing about the subject(s) of this thread... that you started.
You are totally disprupting the pattern of the thread by making logical coments. Please stop. I was enjoying the misinformed suppositions and suggestions. Chopping off of hands, lethal injection and especially the futuristic banishment to Mars.
