We will see how we evolve when we can no longer pay the $100K a year to keep them in their country clubs.
Poll-Do you believe in capital punishment?
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We will see how we evolve when we can no longer pay the $100K a year to keep them in their country clubs.
"It's 10 times more expensive to kill them than to keep them alive" (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-07-exepensive-to-execute_N.htm)
Of course you could just throw due process out the window, line up whoever you feel deserves it and shoot them in the head.
I'm going to say yes, but not in all cases.
I believe in doing things with reinforcement in mind. So if putting someone in jail for the rest of their life would make them more miserable than killing them, then I'd pick the former. I think my equation for justice runs somewhere along the lines of 1.25...meaning an eye for an eye with a little discouragement or reinforcement thrown in for good measure.
I'm not sure if they still do this in Saudi, but the deterrent for thieves was/is cutting off their hand. Certainly works, doesn't it? It obviously gets a tricky 'cause I'm not sure how you would molest a sex offender lol
I think that the strongest arguments from either camp are "who are we to play god/decide who lives" vs. "they forfeited their rights when they decided to make the transgression". Their are studies for both sides saying that capital punishment has/hasn't made a difference over the years...so I'm not sure if we can use those in the discussion.
I believe in doing things with reinforcement in mind. So if putting someone in jail for the rest of their life would make them more miserable than killing them, then I'd pick the former. I think my equation for justice runs somewhere along the lines of 1.25...meaning an eye for an eye with a little discouragement or reinforcement thrown in for good measure.
I'm not sure if they still do this in Saudi, but the deterrent for thieves was/is cutting off their hand. Certainly works, doesn't it? It obviously gets a tricky 'cause I'm not sure how you would molest a sex offender lol
I think that the strongest arguments from either camp are "who are we to play god/decide who lives" vs. "they forfeited their rights when they decided to make the transgression". Their are studies for both sides saying that capital punishment has/hasn't made a difference over the years...so I'm not sure if we can use those in the discussion.
How about we fix Canadian Law so that it's not an antiquated relic of an old society, THEN we talk about capital punishment?
I think it should be brought back. Any crime deserving of life in prison should also have the Death Penalty associated with it. Add in the possibility of being found guilty but give the sentencing judge or jury the ability to not give it.
"Swift" executions would be a violation of due process. The person should have at least one go at an appeal.
I think it should be brought back. Any crime deserving of life in prison should also have the Death Penalty associated with it. Add in the possibility of being found guilty but give the sentencing judge or jury the ability to not give it.
"Swift" executions would be a violation of due process. The person should have at least one go at an appeal.
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Well..thats also how people are convincted. When there is "no doubt"
But even with "no doubt" some ppl still get fakked up or set up.
I believe you mean "reasonable doubt," which does not require proof to an absolute certainty, according to quick research
Red_Liner740
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Yes, but only in extreme cases where proof is undeniable, IE, hostage situation and the dude offs 20 ppl before he is stopped.
That is the only one I might consider. We sort of have capital punishment in that a police office can kill someone who is about to kill someone else. A civilian can as well but faces the wrath of the law.
Most of the pro cap comments are knee jerk reactions and can't be backed up by facts.
How many years / appeals before Donald Marshall, David Milgaard and Guy Moran were exonerated? Another troll tread.
OpenGambit
Banned
a lot, thats why the US has quite a few mandatory evidence preservation laws, its because our forensic technology is constantly improving.
OpenGambit
Banned
this one is funny... oh well we **** up sometimes so why not make the **** up bigger by making it irreversable... hahahahaha
rmemedic
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There are cases that it's 100% totally proven. DNA evidence for example. You can't deny it, that is your calling card.
For pre-meditated murder, and it's quite obvious they did it I have no issue. If it's more or less circumstantial then life in prison it is.
You do need to leave a chance for an appeal, so it can't be out of the court house and then on to the execution gurney with an IV ready to go.
For molesters/rapists, a side of me wishes they could be castrated as they've proven they don't have the means to control their urges, but then it's not always about sex, and mangling their bodies and releasing them on the population would just make them an even worse predator to have out there. Child rapists need to be locked up for life in general population.
I fully approve of rehab in prison. You need to provide an avenue for people to straighten themselves out. It's hard to dig out of a hole, and I'm all for giving people a chance. But I'm more or less talking about people that have committed non violent crimes.
For pre-meditated murder, and it's quite obvious they did it I have no issue. If it's more or less circumstantial then life in prison it is.
You do need to leave a chance for an appeal, so it can't be out of the court house and then on to the execution gurney with an IV ready to go.
For molesters/rapists, a side of me wishes they could be castrated as they've proven they don't have the means to control their urges, but then it's not always about sex, and mangling their bodies and releasing them on the population would just make them an even worse predator to have out there. Child rapists need to be locked up for life in general population.
I fully approve of rehab in prison. You need to provide an avenue for people to straighten themselves out. It's hard to dig out of a hole, and I'm all for giving people a chance. But I'm more or less talking about people that have committed non violent crimes.
bunmanchi
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the reason i said no rehab was for the fasct that there shouldnt de drugs anyways in prison.
cold turkey for everyone, no matter what the problem is. no mescaline. no weening it down.
also, while were at it, no medical benefits for anyone is prison. I thjink making prison such a horrible place to be, makes it a detterent to being put there. its a fact that some people couldnt care less about being caught for certain crimes because they know some prisons are like a cakewalk.
make prison the way it is in midnight express and see what happens.
I know it doesnt sound right, but prison is meant to be a bad place to go.
obviously theres holes in what im saying,but you're getting the idea of it.
you'll probably never get a repeat offender of any crime.
Did anyone catch the 20/20 episode yesterday where Chicago took the prize for forcing the most confessions out of the innocent? Innocent kids as young as 14 badgered for 12 hours without a lawyer or any support and then being sent to prison only getting out 20 years later?
If you think the Canadian system is different could someone suggest an answer to the question "Why, after they exonerated David Milgaard, did the police have (Hopefully) the right person arrested within 24 hours?"
The police officer responsible for tainting evidence in the Christine Jessop case apparently found a doctor that said he was too sick to testify.
Please tell me you're only 18 or something.
There are many environmental factors that go into why someone commits a crime. Someone brought up saudi Arabia cutting hands off. Do they still do that? Probably, because someone who steals bread to not starve to death will get the same sentence as someone who is a hardened criminal.
Prison was a living hell 200 years ago, but they still had them because people committed crimes. Do people still get sentenced to death in the states that have Capitol punishment? Of course they do, because it's not a deterrent.
The death penalty is like the security guard at a condo, they're not there to stop the criminals, they are there to deter good people from making a bad decision.
How hard would it be to claim my bike was stolen? Not very. So what stops me from doing it? The chance of getting caught and charged, then going through all the crap that would follow. I am not a criminal. A criminal wouldn't think twice about the consequences, they think about the "reward".
Back this up with some facts and numbers.
You wanted to start this debate - now back your opinion up so that we can have some quality discussion. Anything else is emotional conjecture.
bunmanchi
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there are no numbers, because no-one is doing it.
i dont think anyone has switched their punishment in this way. I just know how i feel
and I believe that this would work.
most people generally learn from mistakes, You do something bad, you get punished, a light punishment doesnt really register, a harsh one does. a 15 yr old commits a crime and gets a hand slap becasue of the YOA. Has he learned a lesson ? no way
stick him in Gen-pop with some harsh conditions and see what happens
now theres lots of different ways to do it, just rambling on, i could throw out some ideas, they wouldnt be perfect of course, but maybe something like locked in their cells 24/7 and less time
drinking/driving is like a year now, or less, but in some easy jail
make it 24/7 for 4months. i bet they never do it again.
like i said, theres no numbers, because no-one does it..
someone out there must feel the same way
i dont think anyone has switched their punishment in this way. I just know how i feel
and I believe that this would work.
most people generally learn from mistakes, You do something bad, you get punished, a light punishment doesnt really register, a harsh one does. a 15 yr old commits a crime and gets a hand slap becasue of the YOA. Has he learned a lesson ? no way
stick him in Gen-pop with some harsh conditions and see what happens
now theres lots of different ways to do it, just rambling on, i could throw out some ideas, they wouldnt be perfect of course, but maybe something like locked in their cells 24/7 and less time
drinking/driving is like a year now, or less, but in some easy jail
make it 24/7 for 4months. i bet they never do it again.
like i said, theres no numbers, because no-one does it..
someone out there must feel the same way
