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10 Poorest states (contiguous)

40 Idaho
41 Oklahoma
42 South Carolina
43 New Mexico
44 Louisiana
45 Tennessee
46 Alabama
47 Kentucky
48 Arkansas
49 West Virginia
50 Mississippi

Check it out on the map.

It doesn't seem that the republican ideology is financially beneficial for the state, does it?
 
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10 Poorest states

40 Idaho
41 Oklahoma
42 South Carolina
43 New Mexico
44 Louisiana
45 Tennessee
46 Alabama
47 Kentucky
48 Arkansas
49 West Virginia
50 Mississippi

Shocker
 
The last I read, Florida sometimes sway. Depends on the times. But I can agree on it being neutral

Squirrel!

Try to stay on topic.
 
A state rich with mining and oil and gas has a budget surplus?
I already addressed that point from zx600 (see post 152).
Pay attention Kellen, don't lose me now.

10 Poorest states

40 Idaho
41 Oklahoma
42 South Carolina
43 New Mexico
44 Louisiana
45 Tennessee
46 Alabama
47 Kentucky
48 Arkansas
49 West Virginia
50 Mississippi


I'll answer that with an article:

“Most of the 10 poorest states are Republican” is a quote of CNN’s Jack Cafferty. It appeared in his “Cafferty File” blog last September 22, and was accompanied by the opinion, this is “something the GOP can’t be too comfortable with.” Indeed, in an election year, you can bet that Democrats will try to make hay with those data.

My previous column made the case that Democratic Party policies have induced the impoverishment of America’s poorest cities. Turnabout is fair play. If Republican policies have led to the economic stagnation of entire states, whereas Democrats are only responsible for ruining cities, then the Dems might have the stronger campaign talking point. Let’s examine the 10 poorest states to see if Republicans are to blame for their relative economic standing.

The poorest states, based on per capita income, are, from first to last: Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and North Carolina. Of these, exactly half—Arkansas, Kentucky, Montana, North Carolina, and West Virginia—have Democratic governors and three have Democratic majorities in the lower house of their legislature, so these state governments can hardly be classified as completely Republican. On the other hand, only North Carolina voted for Obama in 2008, so in that sense, these states may be leaning Republican.
A common analytical error is the “post hoc ergo propter hoc” fallacy—“after this, therefore because of this.” For example, chronic federal deficits became chronic in the 1960s. What changed in America at that time? Alaska and Hawaii were added to the union in 1959 and 1960, respectively; therefore, the erroneous assertion to follow is that we need only expel those two states from the Union to solve our deficit spending problem. Absurd, right? Similarly, we can’t facilely assume that the lower per capita incomes in the 10 poorest states were caused by Republican policies.
Looking at the list of the 10 poorest states, all except Montana are east of (or border on) the Mississippi River. That means they are older states. Those nine also happen to be concentrated in the South. This is significant: They were all slaveholding states. They focused on producing commodities, whereas the northern states produced more value-added goods, more manufactured goods, more capital-intensive goods. Combined with national policies that conferred economic advantages on the relatively industrialized, higher capitalized North—policies that created some of the friction that led to the Civil War—the South’s economic development lagged.
As is common in societies based on producing raw commodities, the Old South had an elite that owned the land and employed a poorly educated workforce to plant, tend, and harvest the crops. Historically, then, education was of less importance, and therefore emphasized less, in the South than in the North—a trend that contributed ongoing economic advantages to the North.
After the Civil War, Republican carpetbaggers from the North kicked around the defeated South, further widening the economic gap between the two regions. One political consequence was that the Deep South was monolithically Democratic for the next century. Only in the last generation, when the secular counterculture took over the Democratic Party, did many Southerners finally bury the distant past and register as Republicans.
In short, those nine erstwhile slaveholding states have been lagging behind the northern states economically for two centuries. Just because one generation of leaning Republican has not eliminated a disparity that was entrenched for centuries, it is not an indictment of Republicans.
As for Montana, whose people elect Democrats and Republicans to statewide office with almost equal frequency, its economic status has a geographical cause. Montana is remote and its climate is harsh; consequently, it has never attracted enough people to achieve an economic “critical mass” to advance much beyond the commodity-related businesses of farming, ranching, and mining. That is why it has lagged economically—not because of anything Republicans have done.
Another common mistake in economic analysis, seen often, for example, in the (irrational) rationale that liberals use when resisting cuts in marginal tax rates, is to adopt a static rather than dynamic view—to see life and economic conditions in terms of snapshots rather than as a motion picture. In the politically motivated attempt to blame Republicans for the lower incomes in the 10 poorest states, CNN’s Cafferty and Democrats have taken one snapshot—of the census’ income statistics—and combined it with another snapshot—of current political leanings—to create the impression that Republican policies make America poorer.
The more important factor is not the economic ranking of states at a point in time, but the overall trends. An important article by John Merline compared the economic performance of blue states and red states during the presidency of Barack Obama. The trend of economic indicators clearly favors Republican states. Democratic states have experienced lower growth in both jobs and income in the last few years. Home prices have fallen further in blue states, and their unemployment rates are higher. In other words, a dynamic economic analysis of the states casts a far more favorable light on Republican states than static analysis. Since real life is dynamic, not static, Republicans can make the stronger case about which party is best suited to lead the way to greater prosperity.
The most fundamental difference between the data that conservatives prefer—that the 10 poorest cities are longtime Democratic strongholds—and the data that liberals will be more inclined to cite—that the 10 poorest states are predominantly Republican, is that conservatives can point to actual policies that Democrats implemented that contributed to the impoverishment of the cities, while the liberals cannot point to specific GOP policies that have caused the poorer states to lag behind.
The Democratic case is illusory and circumstantial; the Republican case is solid and substantial. However, in a country where so many people are economically and historically illiterate, combined with the human proclivity whereby “a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest” (Paul Simon, “The Boxer”), the Democrats may be able to score some points with a hollow argument. The Republicans, though, have the facts on their side.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhen...-the-10-poorest-u-s-states-really-republican/
 
Are Republican governors better for a state’s economy? Fresh evidence offers some tantalizing clues.

Nine of the 10 fastest growing U.S. states in the fourth quarter of 2013 were controlled by Republicans governors, according to the most recently available data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The BLS on Wednesday released a state-by-state comparison of GDP growth.
Six of the 10 worst-performing states, on the other hand, were run by Democrats.
North Dakota, in the midst of a fracking oil-boom, led the way with 8.4% growth in the final three months of 2013. Rounding out the top five were West Virginia, Wyoming, Louisiana and Nevada.
Only West Virginia, one of the nation’s poorest states, has a Democratic governor among the top 10 states.
The reasons why some states grow faster than others, of course, are varied and complex and often beyond short-run or even long-term political control. The health of the broader U.S. economy also plays a huge factor.
Most of the top performers are in the South and Southwest, previously underdeveloped regions whose economies have been stoked in part by soaring population growth. Other states like North Dakota have benefited from the fortuitous exploitation of abundant raw materials, primarily oil and gas.
Many of the slowest growing states such as Massachusetts and New York, by contrast, are older and more settled. They are also wealthier than the national average, however, and have higher percentages of residents with college degrees.
Other explanations for the disparity in growth include the level of taxes and regulations. Taxes in the South are lower, there are fewer unions and states in the region are more lightly regulated. So businesses have been keen to set up shop.
Economic legacy is also something that cannot be overlooked. Mississippi has been dominated by Republicans for more than a decade, but the historically poor state has not kept up with most of its Southern brethren.
In any case, the Republican advantage does not appear to be a one-quarter quirk. States led by Republican governors have also fared better since the end of the Great Recession in mid-2009.
Seven of the 10 fastest growing states, including the top seven, were run by Republican governors for all or most of the period from 2010 to 2013.
North Dakota again was No. 1 at 16.7% growth. The state was followed by Texas (7.1%), South Dakota (6.3%), Nebraska (6.3%) and Utah (5.8%).

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capito...overnors-boast-highest-economic-growth-rates/
 
Yeah, Forbes and CNN wouldn't be biased in this opinion piece.
 
The second article toutes North Dakota as the fastest growing economy. The reason for this is that the republicans permitted extensive fracking to exploit a natural resource while polluting ground water. Have you seen the youtubes of the flaming water (methane) coming out of the tap?
 
The second article toutes North Dakota as the fastest growing economy. The reason for this is that the republicans permitted extensive fracking to exploit a natural resource while polluting ground water. Have you seen the youtubes of the flaming water (methane) coming out of the tap?

You know the deep south was once democratic right?
 
The second article toutes North Dakota as the fastest growing economy. The reason for this is that the republicans permitted extensive fracking to exploit a natural resource while polluting ground water. Have you seen the youtubes of the flaming water (methane) coming out of the tap?

They don't care ... for the same reasons Harper doesn't care whether oil sands pollute ground water or not. It's all about money for the investors ... so they can say that their economy is growing.
 
I already addressed that point from zx600 (see post 152).
Pay attention Kellen, don't lose me now.
You keep saying you did things you din't really do.

Are you a politician or just .... you?
 
You keep saying you did things you din't really do.

Are you a politician or just .... you?
It's not me, it's you
 
They don't care ... for the same reasons Harper doesn't care whether oil sands pollute ground water or not. It's all about money for the investors ... so they can say that their economy is growing.

Well you could buy oil from the middle east where women have no rights and terrorist Jihadist's are trying to kill your western world instead I guess..........
 
Well, first of all they'd be on the opposite end of the spectrum, but yes, CNN is very libtard biased.

Only someone waaay out there in right field would think that.

not left-wing enough for me, not right-wing enough for you
 
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We should probably throw Obama's immigration plan into the mix as well:

Six years into his presidency, and having promised to bring about “hope and change,” Barack Obama's immigration reform shows he is still playing games, writes Matt Lewis


At some point during grade school, American children are taught about the separation of powers.


The Founders, in their wisdom, pit ambition against ambition. This adversarial relationship was by design, intended to be a check on power. Even unpopular features of our democratic process – like gridlock – can be seen as a feature, not a bug. Roles and responsibilities were simplistically defined thusly: Congress passes the laws, the judicial branch interprets those laws, and the executive branch (the president) enforces those laws. Less simplistic, but still understandable, is that in enforcing those laws, the president has some leeway – some discretion, if you will.


But any schoolboy watching President Obama’s speech on Thursday night – where he laid out his plan to act unilaterally on immigration (without Congress) -- might rightly be confused. For it seems that the president has crossed that fine line between enforcing the law (his proper role) and simply rewriting laws that do not suit him. And in so doing, he has directly contradicted at least 22 of his own past statements, including very specific quotes like: “I’m president, I’m not king. I can’t do these things just by myself’” and “I’m not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed.”


If that weren’t enough, extenuating circumstances make this move even more audacious. Just two weeks ago, Obama’s policies were decisively rebuked at the ballot box. Given the results of that election, one wonders what position is he in to bypass the will of the people? It’s impossible to argue he has a mandate to take the law into his own hands. As Republican Senator Mike Lee said in a press statement: “This act demonstrates he respects neither election outcomes, nor the rule of law.”


Putting aside the constitutional concerns, what President Obama has done can also be thought of as both incredibly cynical and transparently political. Just think of the timing: Why make this announcement after the midterm elections? The obvious answer is that he knew it would hurt Democrats politically. Better to wait. But then, if this is an issue that can wait, why not wait until after December 11 – the funding deadline (where Congress will vote to keep the federal government open)? An obvious answer is that Obama is hoping to bait Republicans into another government shutdown, which could both serve to make them look both recalcitrant and anti-Hispanic.

There are other consequences. Before newly-elected Republicans even take over the Senate, Obama has already poisoned the well, and possibly created a self-fulfilling prophecy of intransigence. How on earth can one expect to begin a new relationship based on trust, compromise, and civility when – before one even takes office – the president has pre-emptively neutered the coequal branch of government to which you belong?

It’s all about politics, of course. And aside from the damage done to our system of government, and the setback to civility, yet another predictable result is that it now becomes much less likely we can achieve the sort of national consensus that would lead to a bipartisan vote on permanent immigration reform policies.

Conservatives who support immigration reform in principle (and there are plenty of us) now have an even tougher time persuading fellow conservatives to support such policies. And this, one supposes, is part of Obama’s devious plan. A dirty secret is that many Democrats would prefer immigration reform not to be a muddy issue. Achieving bipartisan support for immigration reform doesn’t fit their agenda. Much better, they reason, to set up a Manichean paradigm, whereby Democrats are the party of immigrants – and Republicans are mere philistine “nativists” who want to deport hard-working families.

Six years into his presidency, and having promised to bring about “hope and change” the president is still playing games. His speech on Thursday night was terrific rhetoric, but who can believe him at this point? Whether it’s his broken promise that “if you like your plan you can keep it” or the recently revealed speeches of ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber (who admitted passing ObamaCare necessitated deceiving “stupid” voters), many Americans are finally learning the lesson that there is a huge disconnect between Obama’s uplifting speeches and the policies he actually implements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...stitution.html
 
Six years into his presidency of promising hope and change, Obama is so fed up with congressional obstruction, he boldly acts with his presidential authority to bring about a solution to a long standing problem. Instead of illegal aliens being exploited and working for black market tax free wages, they'll be given work permits and required to pay taxes. That's a good thing, right?
 

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