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Over 22,000 speed tickets issued in TO for the month of April

Maniac said:
Germany, where they got no speed limits on the highways, got less road casualties per capita. Speed doesn’t kill, bad drivers - do. We need better driver’s education, not stupid speed limits and stupid speed cameras.

But it’s easier to put cameras everywhere, collect fines and tell clueless people that they care.
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I think this has been said elsewhere, it's not just about driver education, that will help, it's just the selfish me, me, me society we live in. There is limited courtesy on our roads, and shenanigans are allowed to happen, which influences others behaviours, and so on, and so on. 🤷‍♂️
 
BigEvilDoer said:
OK, have you ever driven in Germany?
Yes, the AutoBahns *DO* have speed limits over vast portions. The cities have an absolutely ASTONISHING amount of speed cameras. They don't just take pics of the rear of the car, like they do here - they take the front pics, so the driver can be readily identified and, last time I drove there, points were applied to the drivers' licenses.
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Been and drove there. Yep, it’s strict there. But the speed limits there are reasonable, and the limits on highways are simply ignored lol
 
sburns said:
I think this has been said elsewhere, it's not just about driver education, that will help, it's just the selfish me, me, me society we live in. There is limited courtesy on our roads, and shenanigans are allowed to happen, which influences others behaviours, and so on, and so on. 🤷‍♂️
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That's exactly what it is. Me me me...everyone is in a rush, and every other driver is in the way.

Not to say that the horribly inadequate driver training/education here is ridiculously easy and any monkey with a brain can get a license.
 
I am always amused when Ontario roads are compared to German roads.
My buddy was driving his mother's Honda van, got pulled over by local German police, for speeding, who proceeded to pull the plates on the van because the wheels and tires weren't on the reg. They weren't aftermarket, just from the wrong year, so they are non stock so they need to be inspected. They were steel rims with snow tires.
You people have NO IDEA what traffic enforcement is.
It takes like three years and $4000 to get a German driver's license (and you have to know how to change a tire at the side of the road... and that might be part of your test).
 
bitzz said:
I am always amused when Ontario roads are compared to German roads.
My buddy was driving his mother's Honda van, got pulled over by local German police, for speeding, who proceeded to pull the plates on the van because the wheels and tires weren't on the reg. They weren't aftermarket, just from the wrong year, so they are non stock so they need to be inspected. They were steel rims with snow tires.
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Agreed 100%
Not to mention the TUV. At the 3 (could be 5 - memory is foggy) year mark, your vehicle must be inspected by a government facility. Everything must be within manufacturer's specs. After initial inspection, it must be done every 2 years afterwards. If it's not, car gets taken off then road until it has been brought back to spec.

So, if you put on a performance exhaust or suspension, you've got to put it back to factory spec, get it inspected, then if so inclined, put everything back on again. A real PITA.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Agreed 100%
Not to mention the TUV. At the 3 (could be 5 - memory is foggy) year mark, your vehicle must be inspected by a government facility. Everything must be within manufacturer's specs. After initial inspection, it must be done every 2 years afterwards. If it's not, car gets taken off then road until it has been brought back to spec.

So, if you put on a performance exhaust or suspension, you've got to put it back to factory spec, get it inspected, then if so inclined, put everything back on again. A real PITA.
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Or if you buy something aftermarket to modify your vehicle, you buy something that is properly engineered for the vehicle and comes with documentation that declares compliance ... and you keep that documentation with the vehicle in the event of needing it for inspection.

The complete Bilstein suspension kit that I bought for my previous car when the stock stuff was worn out, was TuV approved. (German company, european vehicle) No need to swap between factory and aftermarket if you use properly engineered parts with the right documentation.

It means there aren't the utter rubbish modified vehicles that we see here. Obnoxiously loud exhaust systems, for example, are a no-go. The manufacturer could never legitimately issue compliance documentation for such a thing. Inappropriate wheels and tires for the vehicle (sticking out past the fenders, inappropriate sizing, etc) are a no-go.

You can certainly get aftermarket parts in Germany ... but the inspection requirements are not a problem for the good-quality stuff, and the rubbish is kept off the market.
 
Brian P said:
Or if you buy something aftermarket to modify your vehicle, you buy something that is properly engineered for the vehicle and comes with documentation that declares compliance ... and you keep that documentation with the vehicle in the event of needing it for inspection.

The complete Bilstein suspension kit that I bought for my previous car when the stock stuff was worn out, was TuV approved. (German company, european vehicle) No need to swap between factory and aftermarket if you use properly engineered parts with the right documentation.

It means there aren't the utter rubbish modified vehicles that we see here. Obnoxiously loud exhaust systems, for example, are a no-go. The manufacturer could never legitimately issue compliance documentation for such a thing. Inappropriate wheels and tires for the vehicle (sticking out past the fenders, inappropriate sizing, etc) are a no-go.

You can certainly get aftermarket parts in Germany ... but the inspection requirements are not a problem for the good-quality stuff, and the rubbish is kept off the market.
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Kind of cool. Kind of half way between the trash here and the pain of certified aircraft with paperwork costing more than the parts.
 
Brian P said:
The complete Bilstein suspension kit that I bought for my previous car when the stock stuff was worn out, was TuV approved. (German company, european vehicle) No need to swap between factory and aftermarket if you use properly engineered parts with the right documentation.
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So, basically factory spec or above. Basically what I said.
Germany has very strict rules that most people have no idea about, and they think that you can rip around at unlimited speeds pretty much everywhere you go. This, is absolutely not the case.

They have very strict enforcement of the rules. Speed. Safety. Licensing. Maintenance.

I would guess that a solid 35-40% of vehicles on the road in Canada would not pass the German TUV regulations.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
I would guess that a solid 35-40% of vehicles
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100% of the vehicles - DOT rules are utter rubbish and any DOT certified vehicle will no pass TÜV inspection.

That’s why we can’t have decent light or aspherical mirrors on our cars or nice signal lights on our bikes.
 
I think he's referring to the quality of vehicles on the road, as opposed to differing standards (and yes, the North American lighting standards in particular are outdated).

Hmmm. My car wouldn't pass TuV because it has a sway-bar end link with just enough play to make slightly annoying noise on bumps. (I determined this recently when doing the front brakes.) Now that I know what the noise is and that it isn't something about to break and send the car off into the weeds, I'm ignoring it. Pretty sure TuV wouldn't like that approach.
 
My car will pass TÜV minus DOT crap.
Hell, I even got European mirrors. ;)
 
Pretty sure my car would get pulled off the road in Europe for the cracked windshield I still need to replace, and for (possibly) smaller wheels with winter tires.

Ive got lots of family in Poland and they say it’s ridiculously difficult to get your license (which is good) and they laugh when I tell them I can go buy a Hayabusa on an M1 here.

And yes, most of them had to show they can change a tire, fill up fluids, and identify parts of the car when pointed to by the instructor.

One didn’t have an emergency kit in her car. Automatic fail.
 
bitzz said:
So your car will pass Euro inspections, but not Canadian inspections, where the car is registered.


Yep. You're winning.
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I don't really care about dinosaur regulations ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My priority is safety - I can see much more in the mirrors that the rest of the World uses.
 
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