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the following is from: http://www.bushstole04.com/911/top_govt_911_hoax.htm
US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, May 4, 2011


Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80's.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.


Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

Watch the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik at the following link.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
 
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US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack....

Reported to the Alex Jones Show? Is that the same Alex Jones who owns the Prison Planet website, that posted the article? The one who's radio show is broadcast on shortwave radio and on the internet? Who refers to himself as a "paleoconservative"? [Source - Wikipedia]

My bird would be offended to have this sort of thing line its cage.
 
Conspiracy theories are for the powerless. They see oppressors everywhere, because they feel so out of control of their own lives.

If Alex Jones wants to be in control of something, he should start with his diet.

Also, check out the warnings at the start of Pieczinik's Wikipedia entry. Not something I'd expect to see on the Wikipedia entry of a Former Deputy Assisstant Secretary of State.
 
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[SIZE=+1]Who Was Osama bin Laden?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]By Karin Friedemann
5-3-11
Who ever the poor soul was, whom the US assassination team "buried at sea," it most certainly was not Osama bin Laden. Still, now would not be a bad time to lay to rest our questions about the Grandfather of Islamic Internationalism.The FBI admits that they have no evidence that bin Laden had anything to dowith the 9/11 attack. There is also no clear evidence that he was involved inearlier bombings in East Africa. He left Sudan because the US threatened tobomb if they did not expel him. Why were the Powers-That-Be so afraid of binLaden?

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How anyone could live 10 years on dialysis would have been a medical break through.
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Time to buy in on stock of Alcan, makers of tin-foil. The conspiracy theorists are reaching all new levels of herp-derp - including in this thread.

Some of your tin-foil beanies are apparently wearing out...
 
[SIZE=+1]Who Was Osama bin Laden?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]By Karin Friedemann
5-3-11
Who ever the poor soul was, whom the US assassination team "buried at sea," it most certainly was not Osama bin Laden. Still, now would not be a bad time to lay to rest our questions about the Grandfather of Islamic Internationalism.The FBI admits that they have no evidence that bin Laden had anything to dowith the 9/11 attack. There is also no clear evidence that he was involved inearlier bombings in East Africa. He left Sudan because the US threatened tobomb if they did not expel him. Why were the Powers-That-Be so afraid of binLaden?

Source

How anyone could live 10 years on dialysis would have been a medical break through.
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Looks like a reputable source. I imagine that page is used as a reference for a lot of PhD theses.
 
the following is from: http://www.bushstole04.com/911/top_govt_911_hoax.htm
US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, May 4, 2011


Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80's.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.


Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

Watch the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik at the following link.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
You really don' believe that BS. who was it that was commenting on 911 and other attacks as they happened?. These idiots are just attention whores. Time for the tin foil hat peeps to chime in.
 
Why is it so hard to believe people couldn't keep a secret? As the medic here says, married people don't necessarily know exactly what their spouses do, etc. Let's say for the sake of argument that 911 was an inside job. Anyone that came forward to say it was and even if they had actual proof, would just be another "conspiracy nut", and that's at the best. The worst would be that they would be killed in a car accident, random mugging, home invasion, etc.

Do people actually believe EVERYTHING the government tells them? Well I guess they do seeing as Hitler got into power and managed to kill a bunch of Jews.

No I am not a conspiracy nut, I just question everything and believe nothing that I don't see with my own eyes, or touch with my own hands.

Part of critical thinking is to look for neutral, logical and rational sources that would refute a commonly held position, along with a solid grounding of the background on any particular issue to support a premise, with a reasonable level of research done via and from independant, reliable mainstream sources and citations that have no axe to grind or agenda held against the commonly held perception to begin with.

The Right have their 'Neo-con's", the Left has it's "Moonbats" - all apparently share a common bond in baseless conspiracies ranging from the 'Grassy Knoll", "Moon shots to a Hollywood stage", "Greys among us", to more recent and more commonly held conspiracy positions that "9/11 were controlled explosions", "Afghanistan is about oil" (LAFF, what oil?), and "Osama is a CIA agent" ... among many others. More people in the past 10 years with the explosion (implosion?) of the intarwebs have come to embrace these theories with no theoretical background or research behind them... only opinions, mouthed over and over again, until they appear to be plausable and true, and gain legitimacy without substance and logic amongst the apparently deluded.

I don't believe in, or agree with everything that the government puts out as "truth"/Propaganda... only a fool would do so. However, if i'm to believe in an alternative theory, it better stand up to the acid tests of logic, proof of validity, the laws of physics and the propensity of human nature, and the real-world likelyhood of an "out there" situation happening, as opposed to that of a more logical and rational explanation. As soon as a theory is supported by an individual/organization with an agenda, for me, out the window it goes. As such, 95% of the 'alternative theories' in the past 15 years with all of our socio-economic issues, fail miserably in the critical thinking department.

They are what they are.. usually super-hyped up conspiracy theories, until proven otherwise. There is a difference between questioning, and drinking the Kool-aid of irrationality.
 

In the caseof 9/11, however, we are vastly more fortunate. As a consequence of inquiries by Nafeez Ahmed (2002), Thierry Meyssan(2002), Paul Thompson (2004), Michael Ruppert (2004), and David Ray Griffin(2004, 2005), among others, we already know that the official account of 9/11cannot possibly be correct. That accountcontends that 19 Arabs, with feeble ability to pilot aircraft, hijacked fourairliners and then executed demanding maneuvers in order to impact the WorldTrade Center and the Pentagon; that the damage created by their impact combinedwith the heat from burning jet fuel brought down WTC1 and WTC2; that WTC7 wasthe first building in history to be brought down by fire alone; and that thePentagon was struck by United Flight 77, which was a Boeing 757. The basic problem with this "conspiracytheory", as in the case of JFK, is that its truth would violate laws ofphysics and engineering that cannot be transgressed.

The extremelyhigh melting point of structural steel (about 2,800° F) is far above themaximum (around 1,700° F) that could have been produced by jet fuel underoptimal conditions. UnderwritersLaboratories had certified the steel used in the World Trade Center to 2,000° Ffor up to six hours.38 Even lowermaximum temperatures result after factoring in insulation, such as asbestos,and the availability of oxygen. Sincesteel is a good conductor, any heat applied to one part of the structure wouldhave been dissipated to other parts. WTC1, the North Tower, was hit first at 8:46 AM/ET and collapsed at10:29 AM/ET, whereas the South Tower, hit second at 9:03 AM/ET, collapsed at9:59 AM/ET. They were exposed to firesfor roughly an hour and a half and an hour, respectively. Insofar as most of the fuel was burned off inthe gigantic fireballs that accompanied the initial impacts, that these towerswere brought down by fuel fires that melted the steel is not just improbablebut physically impossible.
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And wet sidewalks are the cause of rain.
 
Looks like a reputable source. I imagine that page is used as a reference for a lot of PhD theses.

reputable source = non existant, only in your imagination.
 
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And wet sidewalks are the cause of rain.

James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.? Your source is him? He literally doesn't pass the acid test - it's apparent that he took way too much of it, in his Doctorial dissertations circa 1969...

/cue Twilight Zone theme.
 

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