Read the walmart link I posted. Full and part time get benefits. Your postings are opinion not fact. It's emotional to post like you do but not reality. Again, explain to me how the homeless can have a say in society.?
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Read the walmart link I posted. Full and part time get benefits. Your postings are opinion not fact. It's emotional to post like you do but not reality. Again, explain to me how the homeless can have a say in society.?
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you do realize that the source you cite is an american source. if you think that walmart usa and walmart canada are run identically, then i know who actually has a grasp on reality. the source you cited clearly does mention benefits for american employees, but of course, they have a very touchy health-care insurance issue that we don't really deal with.
furthermore, you might want to read up on just exactly how beneficial some of their 'benefits' packages are. that's a real eye-opener. further, the american example you cited is about to become very, very wrong. hot off the presses, walmart usa is discontinuing benefits coverage for any future part-timers, only those currently employed will be grandfathered.
i do know that full time employees in canada receive benefits. i will double check my sources tomorrow in regards to part-time employees.
as for the homeless, do i really have to explain how the homeless can have a say in society?
simple answer--the same way every other group or individual in society would.
am i to understand that you are in essence saying that they don't deserve a say in society?
i think we have a fundamental difference in how we define society, then. my understanding of canadian society includes the homeless.
oh, did a little digging, and finally found the canadian source:
http://www.walmartcsr.ca/index.php/en/our-people/fyi-associates-a-benefits
note the gaping hole where part-timers don't get any of the real cost-item benefits?
guess my sources were dealing in facts after all. . .
http://www.walmartcsr.ca/index.php/en/our-people/fyi-associates-a-benefits
note the gaping hole where part-timers don't get any of the real cost-item benefits?
guess my sources were dealing in facts after all. . .
what about the many homeless who are physically able but dealing with mental health issues because of chronic underfunding of programs and/or lack of resources/services?
are they part of your society?
You have an in at Wally World? Cool! Can you hook me up with one of those natty blue smocks?
What about the working poor? These days having a full-time job doesn't guarantee luxurious lifestyle like being able to eat and having a roof over your head
On another sad notes, our unemployment rates are relatively low because many people have part-time jobs, but are not able to eke out a living with what they're making.
I'm almost certain he mentioned something about homeless with disabilities. Are you simply being obtuse?
What about the working poor? These days having a full-time job doesn't guarantee luxurious lifestyle like being able to eat and having a roof over your head
Horsepoop.
Full time minimum wage take home pay is going to be a bit over $300 a week or $1200+ a month. $200/mo for food and $500/mo for rent leaves you another $500/mo for clothes, bus pass, some Tim Hortons and maybe a cheap cell phone plan, etc.
It won't be a luxurious life but you most certainly can survive on a full time minimum wage job. I'm sure someone will reply saying you can't find a place to rent in Toronto for $500/mo that isnt a complete dump. This may be true... so move somewhere cheaper. If someone is working full time at minimum wage and can't afford both food and shelter, they're doing it wrong.
Apparently the Mohawk Warriors are now stockpiling firewood, for a 'sacred fire', on site in the park. At least that's what that birdcage liner The Toronto Sun is saying now.
oh, did a little digging, and finally found the canadian source:
http://www.walmartcsr.ca/index.php/en/our-people/fyi-associates-a-benefits
note the gaping hole where part-timers don't get any of the real cost-item benefits?
guess my sources were dealing in facts after all. . .
You said they have no benefits. Clearly they do have benefits. Most companies don't offer anything to part timers so walmart is doing better than the average company taking care of employees. Again, you said walmart offers NO benefits. Stop modifying your argument to seem right
Maybe you should do a survey of the homeless and drive them to the polling stations during elections
The last stat I saw said the 47% that did not pay any federal income taxes includes families of four making 50K per year. Now in NYC (or Toronto for that matter) that may not be much but in many US jurisdictions that is the fat part of the middle class.
nope. don't work there, have no sweet hookups. but sadly, in our retail sector reality, i know fewer people who are business owners or middle class, and more and more people who are working mcjobs at minimum wage.
what does asking an additional question of clarification have to do with being obtuse? or are we only allowed to discuss what you feel we are allowed to in your understanding of discourse? lol. get over yourself.
seriously?
so like walmart, you count "shining star" recognition as an actual job benefit? that's what 'benefits' mean to you? lol, what industry do you work in? you are pure jokes, sir. welcome to the hair-splitters convention. if you want to declare victory on that basis, you're welcome to it. everyone else can see that part-time workers clearly do not enjoy REAL benefits--you know, the ones that cost walmart serious money and affect their profitability. . .which is exactly the point i was making from the beginning--corporate greed.
i'm going to stick to my argument, and if anyone wants to decide who's right or wrong on this issue, they can simply look at the FACTS we have actually posted and decide for themselves.
again, what does affording the homeless a position in our society and listening to their pov necessarily have to do with voter rights? the elections act decides who can or cannot vote, not you or me.
you still haven't answered my question, btw. do they deserve a say in our society or not?
Again, you said walmart employees get no benefits. Clearly they do. Would you like to change that argument now to walmart part timers don't get benefits?
Get some glasses..I said it twice. No they dont
actually, this would be the first time you explicitly wrote that, in those exact terms.
and now that you have, i think i have a much better appreciation of where you are coming from.
seeing that, there's no point in discussing the issue with you, because we have a completely incompatible basis of understanding.
don't let your ideas get in the way of him being right.
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