The perfect example of this is when the speed limit changes on a road and then the next day the cops are sitting there. They sit there for about a week catching people that are used to it being a higher limit instead of people intentionally doing something aggressive and then they suddenly disappear. How can anyone not see that as just earning revenue?
Now THIS is how you complain.
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GayManLoveIsOK
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i have to say the biggest abuse of this is the collectors exit going east on gardiner to parklawn...yes it has plenty of signs, but it's one of the few places that even down shifting in the cage isn't fast enough...100-70-50...the cop sits under the bridge at the 50 begins sign...they frigging love that spot...when i have come off there a few times i always look way ahead to see if the popo is there, but try going 70 and the cars and trucks behind you say nasty things...
To be fair, I've heard a lot of cases like this where they just issue warnings to motorists for the first little while after the change. Are you sure that's not what they're doing when you observe them?
LOL....you think Greece is bad, wait till the debt tsumani hits our shores. Ontario has more debt that Greece and Portgual combined.
a funny comment that shouldn't be missed. I would love to hear what the local (on GTAM) police members have to say to agree or disagree.. I would take silence or a non response as confirmation as well.
"Policing today is not what it was when I joined the Toronto Police Force back in the 70's, when the job was more about crime than it was about tickets. Sadly the Senior officers of this modern police "service" seem interested in revenue streams and its junior officers concerned only about paid duties and their days off.
Consequently crime takes a back seat and the lack of service provided to Mr. Cheney and his family is an all too familiar occurrence in this day and age because to acknowledge such events is to invite having to create reports and in so doing raise the statistical level of crime.
For a Unit Commander (local police Division leader) this means having to deal with a spike in crime and it puts a target on their back when they have to appear before the Command officers and their peers to explain what they are doing about it. So to avoid this problem, they turn a blind eye to events and engage in statistical manipulation in order to demonstrate that in their area crime is really trending downward!
The sad fact is that modern style policing is all about the 3 T's, tickets, tickets and tickets and the Senior and Command officers make that very clear to their subordinates when it comes to the candidates they select for promotion, passing over those who don't or won't reach the "imaginary" quota. The fact is the quota system is in full play but the Senior officers are smart enough not to put a number on it, but everyone knows what that number is!
Gone are the days when the majority of young police officers learned to work the streets and cultivate information with a view to ferreting out the local hoodlums and crooks who were breaking into homes and committing mayhem in the communities. Now for most officers, its nothing but enforecement of a never ending parade of minor traffic offences targeting the local taxpaying citizens, simply as a means of generating additional revenue for the City coffers.
Gone are the days when officers were taught to use their discretion, where 24 and 48 hour reports were used for common vehicle malfunctions like burned out headligts and missing license plates. Instead the officers of today have been conditioned to beleive that using their discretion is tantamount to corruption, so better to bone everyone they can to avoid even the hint of impropriety.
Gone are the days when officers were celebrated for making a good "pinch" and locking up some bad ***** they caught doing dirt. Instead officers are conditioned to ignore crime, with the fido principle firmly implanted by training officers, selected by virtue of their prowess in writing tickets up the wazoo."
"Policing today is not what it was when I joined the Toronto Police Force back in the 70's, when the job was more about crime than it was about tickets. Sadly the Senior officers of this modern police "service" seem interested in revenue streams and its junior officers concerned only about paid duties and their days off.
Consequently crime takes a back seat and the lack of service provided to Mr. Cheney and his family is an all too familiar occurrence in this day and age because to acknowledge such events is to invite having to create reports and in so doing raise the statistical level of crime.
For a Unit Commander (local police Division leader) this means having to deal with a spike in crime and it puts a target on their back when they have to appear before the Command officers and their peers to explain what they are doing about it. So to avoid this problem, they turn a blind eye to events and engage in statistical manipulation in order to demonstrate that in their area crime is really trending downward!
The sad fact is that modern style policing is all about the 3 T's, tickets, tickets and tickets and the Senior and Command officers make that very clear to their subordinates when it comes to the candidates they select for promotion, passing over those who don't or won't reach the "imaginary" quota. The fact is the quota system is in full play but the Senior officers are smart enough not to put a number on it, but everyone knows what that number is!
Gone are the days when the majority of young police officers learned to work the streets and cultivate information with a view to ferreting out the local hoodlums and crooks who were breaking into homes and committing mayhem in the communities. Now for most officers, its nothing but enforecement of a never ending parade of minor traffic offences targeting the local taxpaying citizens, simply as a means of generating additional revenue for the City coffers.
Gone are the days when officers were taught to use their discretion, where 24 and 48 hour reports were used for common vehicle malfunctions like burned out headligts and missing license plates. Instead the officers of today have been conditioned to beleive that using their discretion is tantamount to corruption, so better to bone everyone they can to avoid even the hint of impropriety.
Gone are the days when officers were celebrated for making a good "pinch" and locking up some bad ***** they caught doing dirt. Instead officers are conditioned to ignore crime, with the fido principle firmly implanted by training officers, selected by virtue of their prowess in writing tickets up the wazoo."
LGdrama
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Agreed. Simply put, he is breaking laws. He just wants to complain about the repercussions, like we all do. He just has the benefit of using the media avenue.
As for the b&e's he has encountered, move out of Toronto! On a serious note, it's sad about toronto cops investigating B&Es. The amount of calls they get for them + the amount of officers they have on duty = not operationally possible to attend EVERY (non priority ) call.
As for the so called green hornets & the increase of parking tickets increasing , does he not understand that goes hand in hand with the population increasing as well as more people driving etc... There are many factors that drive those numbers.
Increased number in police issuing tickets at specific intersections / hwy on ramps/ etc have to do with research, community complaints etc... There is background to why they do what they do. People just have this preconceived notion that " they can do whatever they want , cuz they're the law". They also have bosses and report to people just like we do at our jobs, in addition to "just cause" .
LGdrama
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I'm lost - where did that "quote" come from? Did I miss something?
09SV650S
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Its a double stick in the ***** our taxes go up to fund police departments and then they issues insane amount of tickets to "fund" their depts. The question is why are both increasing and the service is decreasing?
Where is the value for the dollars being budgeted and earned by all this? That's the problem!!!!
Where is the value for the dollars being budgeted and earned by all this? That's the problem!!!!
LOL.. it was in the comments in the Globe article. Sometimes I read the comments on articles I like... and I am actually genuinely curious for opinions from actual cops...
Seems people are having a real tough time accepting the ugly truth of this article, choosing instead to characterise the author as a complainer.
All he's done is bring to light from his own experiences what we've all noticed; police are too tied up issing tickets to investigate crime. It's not as if there's any question as to which infringement of the law is more severe, criminals should be pursued. Point final. Anyone who ISN'T complaining about the distorted priorities of the police forces needs to give themselves a serious gut check.
All he's done is bring to light from his own experiences what we've all noticed; police are too tied up issing tickets to investigate crime. It's not as if there's any question as to which infringement of the law is more severe, criminals should be pursued. Point final. Anyone who ISN'T complaining about the distorted priorities of the police forces needs to give themselves a serious gut check.
LGdrama
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Maybe that's the issue. We complain about paying "high" taxes for policing but then complain again that they aren't "policing" the way they should be or "not policing" as stated in the article about the b&e's. Our society wants everything for the cost of nothing. Just because we "think" we know how things should run, because were footing their bill via our taxes doesn't mean that you have the skills/ability or knowledge to run an entire police force. There are MANY contributing factors! & it only gets more complicated when u throw politics & government into the equation
We Canadians just like to complain about things we can't control. Compared to some police forces , especially in Europe/Asian countries , I think we have it pretty good. Try giving lip/ arguing a ticket over there- it'll cost you a body part (note: possibly being a little dramatic here)
Bottom line is we all have to work as a community and with each other to make positive change in the way they police - having a column and "complaining" on the internet, or arguing a ticket isn't going to change anything.
LGdrama
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I'd like to know the legitimacy in that comment.
Are they saying they are a unit commander of a police division? :s
09SV650S
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I agree but......
If our taxes are going up and their department revenues are increasing due to ticket revenue why are services from them (other than their traffic dept) declining?
All I'm saying is we're paying more and the services are declining. The services should be inclining with the increasing revenue!
Take the union and all those union dues out of there and you now have even more funds for the departments (but thats a whole other thread HAHA)
LGdrama
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allocation of ticket revenue is where im at a loss.. if this is the issue, then maybe the writer of the column should be writing negatively about Toronto City Hall and Mr.Ford.
AGAVE - i wasnt enquring about what rank the CAR columnist was - I know he's "**** disturber" rank.
Met Peter Cheney a couple times, real nice guy, and good journalist (try to find some of the stuff before he started doing Drive). He does have a valid point. Our police concentrate way too much on revenue building instead of policing. I wonder what the ratio is of cop cars sitting at speed traps vs cops patrolling.
A few years ago my car got broken into while at work. The thief was kind enough to leave his swiss army knife that he used to smash my window in exchange for taking my Leatherman. Called the police, filed the report over the phone, told them about the left knife which very likely had fingerprints on it and they said they'd try to send a cop to pick it up. Waited six hours, still nothing, called them back and they said they're too busy and asked me to drop it off at 51 division. Now 51 division is about half a km from my work, which gets passed by cops many times throughout the day. Went to the station after work to drop off the knife, had to wait an hour and a half for someone to come out and take the knife off me. That's the last I ever heard about it.
Not saying that I expect to be waited on hand and foot for a simple car break in. However when you have obvious evidence available, I have to take my time and deliver it?
On a sidenote, I wonder if the Turbo missing the front plate is the same one his son crashed through his garage, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ts-son-crashes-180000-porsche/article1574334/
A few years ago my car got broken into while at work. The thief was kind enough to leave his swiss army knife that he used to smash my window in exchange for taking my Leatherman. Called the police, filed the report over the phone, told them about the left knife which very likely had fingerprints on it and they said they'd try to send a cop to pick it up. Waited six hours, still nothing, called them back and they said they're too busy and asked me to drop it off at 51 division. Now 51 division is about half a km from my work, which gets passed by cops many times throughout the day. Went to the station after work to drop off the knife, had to wait an hour and a half for someone to come out and take the knife off me. That's the last I ever heard about it.
Not saying that I expect to be waited on hand and foot for a simple car break in. However when you have obvious evidence available, I have to take my time and deliver it?
On a sidenote, I wonder if the Turbo missing the front plate is the same one his son crashed through his garage, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ts-son-crashes-180000-porsche/article1574334/
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Someone gets it. For years community surveys have consistently shown aggressive driving and speeding as being one of the leading concerns (if not THE leading concern in places) of members of the general public.
Priority: Ensuring Pedestrian and Traffic Safety
The traffic on Toronto’s roadways affects almost everyone within the City and was a consistent theme at public meetings held early in 2008. It was also identified in the Service’s community survey as one of the most serious problems affecting neighbourhoods. The safety of pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers and the safe and efficient flow of traffic are, therefore, of significant concern to the Toronto Police Service. Mobilizing local communities to respond to local traffic problems will assist in sustaining successful efforts and improving neighbourhood roadway safety.
Goals:
„ Increase traffic enforcement to better protect the safety of pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers.
„ Include traffic as part of divisional crime management and crime prevention initiatives.
It may be inconvenient, but that public sentiment against driving/riding stupid hits more than a few members here right where they live. Even so, the number of HTA tickets handed out in Toronto rose by less than 4% from 2008 to 2010 inclusive. During this time Toronto's population also rose by 3%, and traffic arguably grew even faster as the number of commuters from teh faster-growing 905 area also come into the city, so that increase in tickets is effectively just the expected outcome fo more people in Toronto and on its roads.
The 2010 Toronto police budget allocated only 4% of funds and 300 cops out of 5500 total cops to traffic enforcement. Those are the cops who would be assigned to pure traffic duties, who would be manning the radar traps and staking out intersections looking for traffic infractions. Pulling those relatively few cops off those traffic duties would virtually no effective on other kinds of crime, but it would tiurn the streets into a playground for the driving and riding idiots.
Traffic crashes already kill and injure many more people than all violent crime combined, often at the hands of stupidly aggressive drivers, and the posts of certain riders telling of their crashes here only go to confirm that that. The only thing holding many back from driving even more stupid is the threat of tickets, fines and insurance repercussions, and again, the posts of certain riders here only go to confirm that. Without the cops, the reckless and the stupid would drive and ride even more recklessly and stupidly, with the inevitable outcome showing up in morgues and emergency wards.
The general public already complains loudly about stupid drivers and riders now. Any politician who would support lessened traffic enforcement would quickly lose the support of the very taxpayers that he or she needs to continue being a politician.
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