November 1st- Happy World Vegan Day!

Alright some quick research shows that I may have bought into too much vegan propaganda. Still not going to change.
You probably did. We have canines & that is made for tearing meat. Our digestive system cannot digest cellulose so we don't make max use of plant material. We can only harvest sugars & minerals from fruits & vegetables.

Plus you have to artificially supplement other vitamins such as B
 
I only became came vegan several years ago, pretty much right after getting a dog.

Because you used to eat dog meat? ?

For as many food reasons to go vegan there are the same arguments to not. Girl at work went back from vegan after her hair started falling out. I personally love meat as much as ice cream, so I can pretty much guarantee that I will never be vegan.

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Chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and baboons are all omnivores.

Also eat ants and bugs that are basically mini meats.

If vegans and vegetarians are anti meat why do they eat fake meat? There's something in the taste. Admit it.

Fake meat, fake beer, fake leather.
 
You probably did. We have canines & that is made for tearing meat. Our digestive system cannot digest cellulose so we don't make max use of plant material. We can only harvest sugars & minerals from fruits & vegetables.

Plus you have to artificially supplement other vitamins such as B

Not buying the canine argument, your two canines can not compete with a carnivores teeth. They are not that sharp and we also don't have that much jaw strength. You could not just go to a farm and take a bite out of a live cow. Again humans have to cook an animal before eating it, totally different then anything else. B12 is an issue though.

Girl at work went back from vegan after her hair started falling out.

There's an issue with female vegans especially with the stupid anti-carbs, low-fat and anti-gluten crazes that they think it's possible to live off salads. No nutrition will lead to things like hair loss.

If vegans and vegetarians are anti meat why do they eat fake meat? There's something in the taste. Admit it.

Fake meat, fake beer, fake leather.

I don't eat that fake meat anymore. Processed soy is an awful food. Those fake meats are a transitional food.

Fake beer? No thanks.
 
Also eat ants and bugs that are basically mini meats.

If vegans and vegetarians are anti meat why do they eat fake meat? There's something in the taste. Admit it.

Fake meat, fake beer, fake leather.

As a long time vegan, I wouldn't like those fake meats to taste just like meat. Why eat them? Cause it adds variety, and it's minimal cooking for this lazy vegan.

What's fake beer?
 
an issue with female vegans especially with the stupid anti-carbs, low-fat and anti-gluten crazes that they think it's possible to live off salads. No nutrition will lead to things like hair loss.

Some females have issues with body image and dieting. This is not an exclusive issue to vegan females or veganism.
 
I went vegan(+fish) a few months ago. I woke up one day one eye blind. I had optic neuritis. I considered going vegan many times just because of industrial farming practices. Lots of research in optic neuritis and its causes indicates that a vegan diet could be beneficial. In the end I kinda felt about meat the same way I felt about smoking long time ago when I quit. I really don't crave or miss meat. I don't see the point of all these vegan meats. It's so processed you are probably better off eating real meat. I would probably eat game meat and small farm meat if I had the chance. The food supply supply is of low quality with lots of additives and modifications that we don't know what implications they have. Even organic is questionable just look in to USDA organics.

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And to RockerGuy and others who wonder why anyone would stop eating meat- this is what i decided i want no part of...

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I've been veg for close to 30 years. My decision to stop eating meat came when i cheated on an emotionally unstable ex-girlfriend and she attempted suicide.
At the time i had been reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' by Robert Pirsig (awesome book subtitled 'an inquiry into values') , and I was pretty upset that i had been such a dick to her.
There was an epiphany moment where i came to the full awareness of how my actions have REAL consequences. The idea coagulated when i accidentally stepped on my 14 year old dog's paw when i went to look out the door to see what he was barking at. He recoiled and yelped, and i realized at that moment that the love i had for him- the respect and kindness i felt he deserved- was all part of the larger picture of how i want to interact with others. I realized i had been blocking out/repressing thinking too much about my own behaviors when it came to my own selfish desires. The more i read and learned about the issues around factory farming and the business/politics behind it, the more committed i became.
Although already a veg by then, it was solidified even more when my old band were jamming on a farm. We'd set up the gear a few times a week in the old barn. Bass player's stepdad was a beef farmer. At the start of the summer the cows were afraid of us- but over the weeks, we'd throw fresh straw and grass and bring them treats. By the end of the summer, the cows would come running when they'd see my van drive up. I will never forget- scratching one of the cows under his chin, and he raised his head up so i could get at his neck too and it was obviously loving the attention. I looked into his giant eye and saw the being inside that deserved love and kindness as much (if not more) than most human beings i knew at the time. If it was wrong to kick a dog- why was it not wrong to harm a cow or a pig or a chicken if i didn't HAVE to? There was no going back for me.
If a person can be (arguably) much healthier and still keep eating plant-based meat alternatives that taste great and cause less harm to the environment and don't harm animals- the question should really be 'why do we allow/support this once we know it exists?'

From my experience, the people that get sick on a vegan diet are almost always the potato chip/junk food vegans- or people who cut out meat/dairy but don't replace it with anything.
IMO the vegan meats are really good in moderation, and most people don't stop eating meat because we don't like the taste. Some stop for health reasons (doctors orders). They might not give a **** about animal welfare. Unless you are brought up by vegetarians/vegans, 7th Day Adventist, Hindu or Buddhists- you are likely to have eaten meat in childhood- and possibly enjoy the taste. I don't understand why people are confused that vegans can like the taste of meat but hate the health, environmental and animal cruelty aspects. If vegan meat were indistinguishable from the real thing, the same price or cheaper, nutritionally superior, and readily available- what reason would there be for eating the flesh of abused animals? That is (hopefully) going to be the future.
B12 issues are common in meat-eaters too. B12 used to be available through bacteria in diets, but now we can get it through fortified plant-based milks, cereals and through supplements.
I'll drink a Vega smoothie or a take multivitamin per day if it reduces animal suffering on my behalf.

Let me get this in before someone beats me to it.
How can you tell if someone ISN'T vegan?
Don't worry- as soon as they find out you are they will become nutritional experts and tell you that you can't be healthy on your 'extremist' diet or start telling you how unnatural your diet is....
Hahaha.
 
I'm looking forward to trying this new plant-based burger.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/192...d-carnivore-a-new-vegetarian-a-longtime-vegan
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http://beyondmeat.com/products/view/beyond-burger
 
Hey Im a vegetarian but not vegan. Hardest part about this diet is having to make different meals for family members that do eat meat.

Boon burgers in Barrie is an awesome vegan cafe.
 
sounds like more social programming
cows causing environmental issues = raise price of beef
vegan = less eating of meet = less production
vegan = charge more for the hell of it

ever notice a regular salad costs the same as a burger (wth)
 
Not that I think anyone is aiming anything at me, but allow me to clarify : the girl at work is not vain, and went vegan for much the same reasons as posted above (animal cruelty, farming practices etc) and only added eggs and dairy back into the diet. But we have a few other vegetarian / vegans at work, amd some of the guys have built more muscle than their meat- eating brethren.
And I hope that I did not come across as knocking any vegans, honestly, if I thought that I may have even a hope in hell of maintaining a vegan lifestyle, I may be tempted to try, if for nothing more than losing some pounds. But I can't even keep away from McDonald's for more than a week ?

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@JB I share your love of McD's once a week...so damn delicious and horrible all at once!

As for vegans, never tried it, and doesn't appeal to me because I love to eat meat. What I have an issue with is the militant way that the minority of them go after others for eating meat. As if we're monsters and theirs is the only enlightened way and all else is evil. Dated a girl once and we broke up as soon as she got onto her high horse because she's vegan and I wasn't...then met a few others who did the same thing and it just turned me off that. Eat what you want to eat, same as pray to whatever higher being you want to pray, but don't be a ****** to those that don't share your belief.

So Happy World Vegan Day!
 
Not that I think anyone is aiming anything at me, but allow me to clarify : the girl at work is not vain, and went vegan for much the same reasons as posted above (animal cruelty, farming practices etc) and only added eggs and dairy back into the diet. But we have a few other vegetarian / vegans at work, amd some of the guys have built more muscle than their meat- eating brethren.
And I hope that I did not come across as knocking any vegans, honestly, if I thought that I may have even a hope in hell of maintaining a vegan lifestyle, I may be tempted to try, if for nothing more than losing some pounds. But I can't even keep away from McDonald's for more than a week 

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watch supersize me and I think you will see McD's differently
I remember 1 simple line...food is supposed to make you feel good...so enjoy the 15 minutes of eating the McD's because you will be miserable the rest of the day.
So think before you eat 15 minutes or 8 hours of feeling miserable and moody

plus you know you are getting FAT, just cut that down/out and you will shrink
that guy got fat in supersize me in a short period of time, scary
 
I do believe their is some truth to the blood type diet.

Canine teeth = meat eater = you like meat
flat teeth (canines) = those ppl don't really eat meat or limit the type...makes them feel physically bad???

evolution gave you those canines for a reason...imo

btw- we learned how to use fire which killed bacteria to protect us
we boiled nature's water to drink it and to wash off fruits and vegetables

mmm nice soft steak mmmm makes you want to keep eating and eating...mmmmm salty and fatty....just how we are wired
 
@-D- unfortunately SuperSize Me did nothing to curb my cravings. He started to get sick after a double quarter pounder, that's my appetizer. But there is so much truth to the line you quoted. I feel guilty/ terrible right after, like @mimico_ploak said. But like a heroin junkie, I just keep going back.
I think my biggest hurdle is the food prep.
Curious if any of the vegans that have posted already are raw vegans? Met a few people that swear by that lifestyle. Know a raw vegan chef that makes a surprisingly tasty zucchini cashew lasagna.

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@-D- unfortunately SuperSize Me did nothing to curb my cravings. He started to get sick after a double quarter pounder, that's my appetizer. But there is so much truth to the line you quoted. I feel guilty/ terrible right after, like @mimico_ploak said. But like a heroin junkie, I just keep going back.
I think my biggest hurdle is the food prep.
Curious if any of the vegans that have posted already are raw vegans? Met a few people that swear by that lifestyle. Know a raw vegan chef that makes a surprisingly tasty zucchini cashew lasagna.

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I hear you. Then try this , go to Mc D's and buy $40 of stuff for yourself, take it home and eat it all.

Or go look in mirror with your clothes off and tell yourself out loud, that's it...done being fat...1 less visit to Mc'D's
avoid for 1 week then go have 1 Mc double if you have to...skip the fries. I think the fries is what makes you feel bad after.

As for food prep, here is a simple trick I stumbled onto

get all your peppers, cut them up in slices/slithers/diced...freeze them in a bag
do the same for mushrooms and onions
all your staples are ready to go, just remove and chop smaller, be careful keep hands away as frozen ice causes knife to skip around...after you cut up or before rinse it off real fast in a bowl you are using to cook with or whatever to quickly get the freezer burn taste off.

eggs in the morning or whenever, scrambled or omelette ready to go
by the time your pasta boils in 9-12 minutes your sauce is ready to go with real vegetables

when you in a real rush and you eat canned soup, toss in more real veggies (frozen spinach too)...Ikea meatballs are good...you can dress them up teriyaki sauce if you want.

Since you have a large family, buy all those peppers for cheap from Chinese grocery store (5 for $1) the ones on the way out...cut off bad parts if needed and freeze the rest...and yes if one is bad so what, toss it in your composter (free fertilizer for your herb and flower garden).

You can do it...notice I did not say to workout just reduce the crap.
Also drink green tea with honey (no sugar or milk...almond milk ok) drink it in the morning and around 2pm...cuts your appetite and good for you.

start small and watch, once you drop 5 real pounds in a week maybe 7 lbs and your belt draws in 1 notch you will keep going
the moment someone says you lost weight you are looking good...you will just see McD's as trash...put that 'food' in your trash then go eat it...see it as that.

Don't get me wrong, the odd burger from McD's is okay.
It up to you to be a fat arse as you say or STOP and make 1 small change that leads to another.
Remember, your kids are watching you...plus it would suck if you caught a stroke and became a vegetable...no more riding bikes and no more hanging with your kids...what about your grand kids, taking them for rides on your bike or future Can-Am style bike...goneeeee
So I guess what you are saying is McD's is more important than yourself, bike, kids, family, grand kids...We know from your online posts that my list is what you live for but you are proving yourself wrong.

Wanna be a vegetable because of a stroke...keep going to McD's...pickup the burger tmrw and smell it, look at it, shove it in your mouth, then pull out your phone and look at the pics of your kids...now what...keep eating like a pig or spit it out, toss it in the trash and say hell no...my lids and grand kids need me...I wanna ride.

You can do this...now get it done...man the hell up and ride your purple bike...show your kids, they are looking at you Joe.
Show them they are #1 and not Mc-Craps.
 
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Probably not the most popular thing to discuss among the manly men that frequent this board, but anyone here share a vegan lifestyle or a plant based diet? I'd like to hear from you!
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My hockey game got bumped from next week to this week due to Sesame Street Live.
Lets just say I have no sympathy for vegans.
 
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