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Fair. But what are the job opportunities in said ‘home province’ and what is the pay?
It's not unreasonable to do BMD's way though. If you choose to stay here, Ontario forgives some of your loan. If you choose to chase money, you have to pay it back as Ontario didn't get the benefit of your education. It just becomes part of the calculation (and may help keep people to work needed roles in Ontario as it shrinks the effective salary gap).
As for reducing degrees that don't lead to employment, there is a very interesting discussion there. I have no useful answers to it. Long ago, universities were education for education sake (eg philosophy, ancient history, etc). Degrees that expand human consciousness but have little practical application. Colleges were for practical careers. The lines have become very blurred in higher educations' quest to operate as a profitable business. I have no problem with someone doing a philosophy or three year general arts degree but I'm reasonably convinced it is a terrible waste of taxpayers money. If someone wants to pay the full ride, they should be able to pick whatever they want. If someone wants a subsidized education, I think the subsidy should be tied to the potential benefit to society/economics by helping a person get that education.
Not unreasonable. But if I graduated with 100k+ debt and the only thing local was practically data entry type work for $50/yr I’d be having some choice words if someone told me my break was being pulled because I wanted to make an appropriate wage for an engineering degree.
It's not a break. You reasonably know going in what the salary range is coming out. You took out a loan to pay for your education. You have to repay the loan. By staying local, the province allows you to work off part of your loan with effort instead of money.
Well that's concerning...it's the way it's done in Poland, and a few other EU countries as I understand it. Basically ensures that the car is road worthy year to year.
Yes, my approach just sort of back-end loads it vs front-end. I still think we need those degrees but not as many people with them and it will help with the reality of the choice. I was thinking more along the lines of say Oil Sand Engineering at UofT (I know that does not exist but a theoretical example) as one you have to leave to use.
Do you? If as you say, many/most leave the country anyways what do they care what the range is? I would wager the average inbound student (a teenager) half a world away won’t or hasn’t.
Why are international students relevant to this discussion? They pay unsubsidized rates and afaik aren't eligible for OSAP. Those paying subsidized rates live in Ontario before going to school. If you pick a career path without first investigating compensation/hours/expectations, you are going to have a rough life.Do you? If as you say, many/most leave the country anyways what do they care what the range is? I would wager the average inbound student (a teenager) half a world away won’t or hasn’t.
All my kids finished school with less than 10K in student debt. I paid $5K a year each for their accommodation, they paid the freight on everything else (food, tuition, books, beer). Both worked full time in the summer, neither worked during the school year. a full summer as a pool mechanic paid about $24K, the other a beer cart girl, made about the same. Their summer pay floated their university costs for the year.
I kinda like the idea of having to stay in the province for at least a few years if you got a subsidized education. I don't think employment opportunities are a mystery to students -- they shouldn't be -- students should understand their employment opportunities before they start.
They’re eligible for something. I’ll circle back
This is how I understand it from what I've read. Just make sure your address is up to date, and wait for the cheque. No work required as the records are there.
Big money for students is in the tough jobs. My son did pool building, he started at 16 and quickly figured out the mechanical guys made $22/hr so he learned about pumps, heaters, and control systems (no shovels or wheelbarrows), got a company truck too -- but had to go 60 hours a week. Paid very well. My daughter did the cart girl thing at a high end golf course -- all she had to do was reliably show up every day to get as many shifts as she could handle. Paid a server's wage but tips averaged $250/day. Tough work -- blistering heat, rain, drunks, and the odd ignoramus member made most of the gals quit. She made enough to own and operate her own car while in Uni.
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