New truck?

Maybe you scared all "the riff raff" away with your big, tough warnings. Or maybe "the riff raff" realise that offering advice to some people who start threads asking for advice is akin to urinating into a stiff, inbound breeze.
Ha! I just noticed Wingboy is a moderator.

Wingboy - I'm not affiliated with Fiery254, can we still be friends? lol
 
Ha! I just noticed Wingboy is a moderator.

Wingboy - I'm not affiliated with Fiery254, can we still be friends? lol
Hahaha...I'll have lunch or tip a beer with anyone.It's just the internet.
 
Ric, you know me. I’ve been transporting bikes to shows, tracks and off
road events since the mid 70’s. I’ve had full size vans, big and small pick-ups,
cars and SUV’s. Some worked better then others but I always found a way to use
what ever I had.


Best all around set up was my old Chevy van with the finished interior.
I would slide a bike in thru the side door and strap it down with the front
wheel up against the bed. All the comforts of a motor home in a package that fit
through the old Mosport tunnels. V8 gas mileage sucked but it was the same
loaded or empty.


Most surprising set up was my little Chevy Tracker with a home made
enclosed trailer. Took the family to Shubie and back without a problem. The
little four with a five speed manual handled highway speeds and mileage
wasn’t bad. However, no A/C in the summer meant we rented a van for those long
trips after that.


Worst set up was combining our little ranger and “Great White” my big enclosed trailer. What was I thinking?

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Our present set up.


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Hauling two bikes to Georgia each fall costs a lot. Even with the open
trailer the weight over the mountains cuts the mileage in half, literally!
BUT... The car is so much fun on it’s own I gladly pay the extra for that one
big trip each year. And with that same trailer I haul brush to the dump,
furniture to the kids and the snow blower too.


I know all I’ve just typed has little to do with your original question but, you
seem to have already made up your mind on a Toyota. I’m just saying there is a
world of options out there.

I’d never own a Toyota truck because of all I’ve read and seen. I’m not a big Ford
fan, (raised in Oshawa I’m was a Chevy man) but I’ve learned a lot with the wife
being in the business for over 30 years.

Here’s just one visual. See for yourself.

[video=youtube;RUgOiGEkpms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUgOiGEkpms[/video]
 
That video was done in 2010. In 2012 Ram changed up the rear suspension, and I guarantee it would be better than it did in that test.
The Toyota performed as expected though... Which was weak. Like I mentioned, if you can't build a tailgate that stands up to normal use, what is the rest of the truck going to be like?
 
That video was done in 2010. In 2012 Ram changed up the rear suspension, and I guarantee it would be better than it did in that test.
The Toyota performed as expected though... Which was weak. Like I mentioned, if you can't build a tailgate that stands up to normal use, what is the rest of the truck going to be like?

Speaking of tailgates.... http://youtu.be/HFNv4n7Lm2Q?t=57s
 
Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to. First rule of market tests and lawyering.
 
Buy four cylinder truck. Sorry, I mean buy truck powered by four cylinders. Oh, crap. I mean buy truck powered by engine that has four cylinders. Ya, that's it. Also it should have a tale gate. I mean tailgate.

PS Please be advised @ Toyota dealers: no shoes, no shirt, no service
 
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Here’s just one visual. See for yourself.

[video=youtube;RUgOiGEkpms]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUgOiGEkpms[/video]

All structures have a natural resonant frequency. That series of bumps was clearly very close to the torsional resonant frequency of the Toyota's chassis. BUT ... Select a different resonant frequency - a different speed through the bumps - one that matches whatever the resonant frequency is of the other trucks! - and they'll do that, too, but since that new resonant frequency will no longer match the Toyota's resonant frequency, the Toyota won't. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Having said that, it's recognized that the ride quality of a vehicle will be best if that natural frequency is above what is normally seen on the roadway, so that the oscillation doesn't occur during normal driving conditions or anything resembling that. This leads to the common and unsurprising conclusion that a torsionally stiff chassis is "better" for ride quality. And what's the best way to get a torsionally stiff chassis? A unibody rather than a separate frame and body!

The Honda would likely do best in that test ... and the all-independent suspension would probably follow the bumps better. But that does NOT imply that it's the best truck, only that it would likely do better in that particular test.

Trucks, historically, have been DESIGNED to have a certain amount of torsional flexibility in the chassis ... the torsional flex was essentially part of the suspension.

If ride quality and freedom from NVH is a major criteria in your truck selection then your choices are the Honda (unibody, independent suspension, rides and handles like a car) or the Dodge (coil spring rear axle with a linkage rather than leaf springs). The Ford's positioning of the shocks outboard of the frame is a better design but it doesn't solve the pretty much inherent roughness of leaf springs.

Friend of mine has a current-body-style Dodge pickup with the coil spring rear end and it rides very well.

I am somewhat looking at getting a bike hauler for next year but I am holding out to see what the upcoming Ram ProMaster van (a.k.a. European Fiat Ducato) is like. Front wheel drive (means a lower loading floor than any other van - or any pickup), 4 cylinder diesel engine, ginormous interior (like Sprinter). The also-upcoming Ford Transit might be another option but it's still rear drive, and the program keeps getting delayed - I have customers that will be building parts for those, so I keep hearing stuff like this.
 
I have an 2008 Ram with the hemi.....great power but fuel efficiency sucks. However once I converted it to propane dual fuel it made the hit on the wallet a lot lighter. When you can fill up for $0.65/litre instead of a $1.20+ you get the best of both worlds. A few fueling stations here in KW area so I don't have to worry about operating on gasoline too often (pretty much never)

Link to alternative fuel stations
http://www.altfuelprices.com/index....74128124646, -78.1292724609375))&fuel_type=19

Plus my truck smells like a BBQ, haha
 
I have an 2008 Ram with the hemi.....great power but fuel efficiency sucks. However once I converted it to propane dual fuel it made the hit on the wallet a lot lighter. When you can fill up for $0.65/litre instead of a $1.20+ you get the best of both worlds. A few fueling stations here in KW area so I don't have to worry about operating on gasoline too often (pretty much never)

Link to alternative fuel stations
http://www.altfuelprices.com/index....74128124646, -78.1292724609375))&fuel_type=19

Plus my truck smells like a BBQ, haha

Brother in law did the same with his Tundra. He does about 40-50k km a year, seems super happy with it.
 
I did, 8 years and 8 years of free oil changes :D

If the new Hyundai's are anything like my new recent vehicle purchase, the computer will tell you when the vehicle needs an oil change. Our first one took over a year and around 18,000 km before it alerted us to its first oil change.
 
If the new Hyundai's are anything like my new recent vehicle purchase, the computer will tell you when the vehicle needs an oil change. Our first one took over a year and around 18,000 km before it alerted us to its first oil change.

Just wondering, what is the point of this post?
 
Forbes: The toughest trucks of 2013 Ford, Toyota and Honda.

This is more realistic as each truck on the market goes through 50 tests and is evaluated, and takes into consideration reliability, quality, payload, durability, crash test ratings.

The other videos posted earlier, merely show one area where a truck excels.
 
If the new Hyundai's are anything like my new recent vehicle purchase, the computer will tell you when the vehicle needs an oil change. Our first one took over a year and around 18,000 km before it alerted us to its first oil change.
at 5000 k i'm doing oil changes, not needed but whatever
 
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