Synthetic or Dino?
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Synthetic or Dino?
Ok , so my F150 has onboard monitor, dealer suggested 5k oil changes, at a 5k interval the oil life is reported to have 71% life left as per the monitor. It's dino oil.
Is the monitor just a toy, can I go longer between changes? Am I an idiot for asking?
Is the monitor just a toy, can I go longer between changes? Am I an idiot for asking?
Would you trust the salesman at the dealer over the engineer? I'd suggest going by the oil life monitor.
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Bigevildoer
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Did a little economy test on my Ranger XL this weekend.
Drove to Wiarton to the cottage and back (from Waterloo).
No hard driving, averaging about 90-95 km/h, bed had about 200 lbs in the back on the way up, and has a tonneau cover.
L/km: 13.7
L/100 km: 7.3
MPG: 32.2
So as far as fuel economy goes, it wasn't bad at all. Numbers are better than expected for sure.
Drove to Wiarton to the cottage and back (from Waterloo).
No hard driving, averaging about 90-95 km/h, bed had about 200 lbs in the back on the way up, and has a tonneau cover.
L/km: 13.7
L/100 km: 7.3
MPG: 32.2
So as far as fuel economy goes, it wasn't bad at all. Numbers are better than expected for sure.
rmemedic
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I go by my monitor... It measures your style of driving, so things like highway, city driving, how hard you are on the gas, idling time etc etc.
For me, I'd be doing an oil change every 6 weeks if I followed the 5,000km rule. I do so much highway driving (probably 80%) that by the time I hit 5,000km I haven't really broken down the oil that much. I drive to 10,000km or until the display pops on, whatever comes first before I take it in for an oil change. I have 25 fee changes, so I'm hoping I can get over 200,000km before I need to pay for oil or go under the truck and do it myself.
My Canyon had the same thing, I followed the display, and did the same thing I'm doing with my ram. Had nearly 200,000km on it and it ran mint.
N3WMAN
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The monitor is what you should be using it is designed to take into account all your driving factors. Changing it before is just wasting money and resources. 5k oil change intervals were invented by oil companies to sell more oil.
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Bigevildoer
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Previous numbers were really high, yes, but those were winter numbers.
I find that cold temperatures (below 0c) really take their toll on mileage. When it's -10c high during the day, I'm lucky to get 200km on 30 litres mixed city/highway.
The dealer told me that its at 8 k the oil should be changed on these trucks, and not the standard 5 k.
This thread is for manly trucks, not the fancy grocery getter suv your wife picked out for you.
Science has been debunked. Didn't you get the memo from God during your daily prayer?
She doesn't even let me drive itThis thread is for manly trucks, not the fancy grocery getter suv your wife picked out for you.
How is the shoulder Mitch?
What a load of junk science that is. How many people who buy pickups have based on the criteria of visible frame deflection over washboard roads? If this test was any kind of indication of the trucks' payload, durability or fuel efficiency, then why don't they just show us their payload, durability, or fuel efficiency instead of this nonsense?
I love how that Ford ad shows the engineer measuring the frame flex with a digital vernier caliper, then declaring "A quarter of an inch!" Because obviously, he couldn't be taken seriously with a mere ruler. In any case, if less frame flex was an indication of pickup superiority, then the Ridgeline must be best pickup ever. And other engineers must be dunces for continuing to separate the cab from the bed.
Or... bed flex is desirable. Crazy talk, I know.
These clips are meant to impress, not to inform. You'd have to be pretty gullible to be impressed by them.
hey dude, I know your looking at a 4 banger and gas mileage and a truck ...
i don't know if you can wait this long but this is what is coming out from dodge in case you did not know... i will probably replace my current truck with this in the future ...
http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsr...C937AAECEBBE2011D97CE2CC9AF5?&id=13869&mid=70
diesel 3.0 litre v6 in a half ton ... i've been reading articles and this is expected to get over 30mpg ... so I think that's better then a Taco with a 4... and would be more capable if you decide to haul more later ...
just my 2 cents
i don't know if you can wait this long but this is what is coming out from dodge in case you did not know... i will probably replace my current truck with this in the future ...
http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsr...C937AAECEBBE2011D97CE2CC9AF5?&id=13869&mid=70
diesel 3.0 litre v6 in a half ton ... i've been reading articles and this is expected to get over 30mpg ... so I think that's better then a Taco with a 4... and would be more capable if you decide to haul more later ...
just my 2 cents
I was talking to a guy yesterday who owns a Ford dealership. I had it in my mind to ask him about a Ford Ranger 4 cylinder replacement, just so I could help out the OP with some meaningful advice. Then his wife walked into the room and I got distracted by boobies.
riff raff out.......
riff raff out.......
Red_Liner740
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All good and dandy on paper, then the truck MSRP comes out and the diesels are 8 to 10K higher priced than the V6 model...It'll take a lot of driving and towing to equal the MPG savings of a diesel with those numbers....then when nobody really buys them they have the balls to say "see, nobody wants to buy diesels in North America"
when the spread is 10cents per liter diesel vs gas and 25-30% projected mileage improvement, this vehicle will get traction on the sales floor. Its not that nobody wanted deisel, it was nobody producing a small deisel engine in a truck, it was cummins 5+L turbo and the like.
Anyone that bought an early GM diesel pickup hated the idea for two decades ( the converted 350ci gas to deisel pkg)
The Dodge will be small Italian motor with the new 8sd auto, early adopters will be punished but in a year this will be a great package.
Anyone that bought an early GM diesel pickup hated the idea for two decades ( the converted 350ci gas to deisel pkg)
The Dodge will be small Italian motor with the new 8sd auto, early adopters will be punished but in a year this will be a great package.
Pricing hasn't been announced for the Ram pickup diesel, but it's known that on the upcoming ProMaster van, the diesel will be a $4000 option.
If that makes the difference between 10 L/100 km (see Fuelly for a Fiat Ducato ... all late model Fiat Ducatos are diesel) and 13 L/100 km (an educated guess for the V6/automatic gas engine) and the fuel price is the same, the cash break-even happens around 100,000 km. I suspect that the gas engine consumption will be worse than that ... the powertrain is same as Grand Caravan but the body punches a much bigger hole in the air. The Ducato numbers should be accurate, the ProMaster is virtually the same vehicle. This means cash break-even ought to happen sooner than that.
And that's assuming the minivan's transmission will survive in this application. The diesel uses a different transmission (already used in the Ducato). I don't trust Chrysler front-drive automatic transmissions. The Ram pickup won't have this issue, the ZF automatic is already tied to both gasoline and diesel engines in all sorts of different applications.
If that makes the difference between 10 L/100 km (see Fuelly for a Fiat Ducato ... all late model Fiat Ducatos are diesel) and 13 L/100 km (an educated guess for the V6/automatic gas engine) and the fuel price is the same, the cash break-even happens around 100,000 km. I suspect that the gas engine consumption will be worse than that ... the powertrain is same as Grand Caravan but the body punches a much bigger hole in the air. The Ducato numbers should be accurate, the ProMaster is virtually the same vehicle. This means cash break-even ought to happen sooner than that.
And that's assuming the minivan's transmission will survive in this application. The diesel uses a different transmission (already used in the Ducato). I don't trust Chrysler front-drive automatic transmissions. The Ram pickup won't have this issue, the ZF automatic is already tied to both gasoline and diesel engines in all sorts of different applications.
Red_Liner740
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Hey i am ALL for affordable diesels to start showing up...i'm just talking from the point of the manus and what they have done in the past.
Want the diesel, its a 4K option, but WAIT, diesels only come in the top of the line deluxo package which is another 3K option...sorry, cant have it in the bottom trim.
Chevy Cruze, starting price 15K, Cruze diesel, MSRP 25K.....so yea, 10K price difference....with the smaller cars mpg difference being smaller it will take a LOOONG time to pay off the sticker difference.
Want the diesel, its a 4K option, but WAIT, diesels only come in the top of the line deluxo package which is another 3K option...sorry, cant have it in the bottom trim.
Chevy Cruze, starting price 15K, Cruze diesel, MSRP 25K.....so yea, 10K price difference....with the smaller cars mpg difference being smaller it will take a LOOONG time to pay off the sticker difference.
