And the guy with the bat was like "this isnt even as bad as what i got from my mom when i was a kid"
also, "cry me a river"
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also, "cry me a river"
My parents loved our cat but were happy with the huge uptick in birds after the cat died.
I thought it was a broomstick but no, it was huge. Stealing smokes can hurt.
Those are Kendo sticks modified to give the illusion of the blows hurting (the retainer on the ''blade'' is moved farther up , for starters). If you get hit with a real Kendo stick, you better hope you're wearing body armour.
Welfare is ridiculous. If someone needs welfare, imo, they should be monitored. Including weekly meetings with an official to discuss their application and where they have applied. That's very little effort to justify needed assistance. If you are willing to do that, then it's no wonder you can't get a job.
Also, the should be subject to random monthly inspection. The reason I say this is because a large population is taking advantage of the system by lying. I personally known people that immigrated from Tanzania and spent YEARS on welfare... Well, she did. I don't know the exact details, but my wife explained that she claimed she was a lesbian to help get her visa approved, I think she claimed needing sanctuary because that's frowned upon in Tanzania, but regardless, it wasn't true. She's straight. She now has 3 children with her live-in boyfriend (would've been common-law in usual circumstances), but still claimed to be a lesbian, and the system pays her the going rate for each child's support. The boyfriend works for temp agencies, and lists a different address to circumvent the welfare system. If the dropped in for an inspection they'd see a man lives there and shares her bedroom, closet and bathroom, and the children all call him dad.
My wife is from Tanzania. We've been there once since we met because the ticket for economy for one person is $1,500. Somehow, with welfare and temp-jobs, these people are about to travel to Tanzania every 1-2 years, and have bought property over there.
I'm sure the bleeding-heart Liberal supporters will say it's an invasion of privacy. I say it a contract. You need assistance, we'll give you assistance, just sign this contract. People like this are a huge drain on our economy.
Conversely, I have another friend from Cameroon who immigrated to Canada years ago. He went on welfare because he needed it to get on his feet. He took a PSW course while on welfare, and as soon as he graduated he got a job, and got off welfare. He then supported himself while furthering his education. He became a nurse, then a registered nurse, then a nurse practitioner. He's now married to a nurse and they have a bunch of kids and live in a big house in Oakville.
The system works if used correctly, but there needs to be checks, and many people need an extra push to motivate them.
One more thing, I believe welfare recipients should be collected as crews in shifts, and each sent out at least once per week to clean up garbage on roadside, or similar work. Create a job by hiring one supervisor per crew to pick them up and plan their cleaning route/location in a van.
Estimated 1.7 million people are on assistance in Canada.
Now to do your "weekly meetings".
If each meeting was exactly an hour it would be 212500 hours yearly.
We would require an estimated 5312 "officials" working full time to keep up with these "weekly meetings"
Let's say we pay these "officials" 85K for a yearly salary (not including any over-time, sick leave, or benefits etc.))
It would be an expense of $451520000 to fund this program.
Might be cheaper to keep them on welfare?
My math might be off, but you get the idea of why as a country/society we are creating generational welfare recipients...
I think your math and planning are faulty. Also, I don't know how you came to 212,500 hours yearly.
You would have to plan for hubs in strategic locations based on population. Deciding one hour is random. Suppose meetings were 30 minutes, that would half your estimates. Realistically, 15 minutes would more than suffice. The salary you suggest is very random as well. Suppose it was a $70,000 salary? Maybe $60,000? These numbers are not unreasonable, yet them drastically effect your $451B guestimate. I think this is a poor way to dismiss an idea out of hand.
Out of curiosity, because I haven't looked it up, you claim 1.7M on assistance. Is that accurate, and "assistance" might include disability, which is much different than welfare.
Welfare fraud is not only a concern because of the money, it's also a concern because of the children being raised to live off of the system rather than to reach their full potential. Welfare environment usually mean it's not a very supportive environment. If we could get people contributing to society, I believe the children in these families would grow up in a better family environment.
Am I getting a dystopian vibe?
I was not dismissing you idea at all. Hard to get exact numbers and I really was simply showing (as far as government is concerned) that if the solution to a problem is more difficult that the problem, the problem remains. But you're reply is just as faulty. Paying people a low-ish wage and expecting them to complete an overwhelming workload is subject to failure, lifetime Welfare people will stay on welfare and now we'd have the extra burden of paying more government ineffective workers. I think the issue would take a generation of change to see any real effect.
What government job pays 60k? Looking at total comp with benefits and pension and there are probably few under 100k. Let the bonfires burn.
I believe this could be an entry level position. They'd be doing something similar to what used to be done 30 years ago all over Canada, but I don't think it is anymore. When I was in high school, you could go to the local employment office and sit down with a counsellor who could help you build a resume and list potential employers.
Remember, too, that the numbers would dwindle if successful.
I'd prefer trying this over sending more of my tax dollars to Ukraine and China.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that's true. I think there's a lot of low level positions that pay less. This position could be one where you have a head of the department making $100-125K, and 10 employees under him making $50-70K depending on qualifications and tenure.
Keep in mind, I'm a nobody. This is just speculation and brainstorming. I'm only arguing that I think it's possible.
While I don't disagree with that position, every level of government has proven that they are completely unwilling to do that. Salaries that low are rare and they really don't like discussing total comp as it is embarrassing.
My mom was a government employee in the 80's and 90's. She made minimum wage.
She was a daycare mother! lol But she got all the government holidays! Point is, there's a lot of levels, departments, and classifications within government, so I don't think it's so far fetched. We might be imagining different things for this position I proposed. I'm thinking of a 21 year old college grad, or college student that sits at a desk in an office with no windows and has these meeting scheduled for every 15 minutes. All he'd do is say "Hi, any luck? Where have you tried applying? Here's some new resource material to look over. There's a new factory opening up on the east side called Mayhem, you can contact this guy at this address to apply." 10 minutes later he's gone. Paperwork gets sorted, then on to the next guy. Real grunt work, and just a stepping stone for college grads to build a resume while searching for brighter pastures. Interns could also do this, and many of them only do it for a resume and don't get paid... I think? Maybe I watch too much American TV? lol
I agree that they don't want to do it, because there's far smarter people than me in government, yet they haven't made any attempts to fix what we all know is a faulty system. The question isn't really "How do you fix it?" Rather it's, "Why don't they want to fix it?" I have a theory, but that's a whole different discussion.
You’re not sending tax dollars in most cases, you’re sending obsolete military equipment. What scenario are you thinking of where the small amount of welfare fraud we have is solved with leopard tanks and 7.62 ammunition?
Your talking points come straight out of the right wing rage farm playbook.
I think that we have a systematic generational welfare issue.
Where many people that have been on it all their lives, complain about being on it but in reality are unwilling to change.
I also think that many of the people on welfare would simply learn how to game the system and the low paid entry level government workers would not give a damn about it as long as they make their numbers and keep a pay cheque coming in.
I'm not sure we'll ever know the real number of welfare fraud cases but I would suspect it is a small percentage and primarily done from "out of country" sources.
At they end of the day, you can't make someone work if they don't want to and no company wants people like that in their company (they have enough HR issues)
Unless Canada decides to set up work camps, we're stuck with Welfare and those that use and abuse it.
Where many people that have been on it all their lives, complain about being on it but in reality are unwilling to change.
I also think that many of the people on welfare would simply learn how to game the system and the low paid entry level government workers would not give a damn about it as long as they make their numbers and keep a pay cheque coming in.
I'm not sure we'll ever know the real number of welfare fraud cases but I would suspect it is a small percentage and primarily done from "out of country" sources.
At they end of the day, you can't make someone work if they don't want to and no company wants people like that in their company (they have enough HR issues)
Unless Canada decides to set up work camps, we're stuck with Welfare and those that use and abuse it.
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