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Need car now that it's cold. Any good audi dealer in west end??

The Audi stigma is they **** expensive parts as soon as the warranty is up yes.

Not saying it's justified or any different than say, oh, VW or Porsche.
Considering they're all basically the same company and very similar cars in general, why would you expect any different? An Audi is basically just a classed up VW. The parts even have all the same logos stamped on them. Many of them even share platforms. Even the Gallardo I drove actually reminded me slightly of my Jetta. Not sure if that is saying good things about the VW or bad things about the Lambo, lol.

The same could be said for pretty much any used luxury car (including japanese). None of them are inexpensive to service or repair.
Sometimes when I go to the dealer for parts (air filters and the like) I cringe when I see some of the other customers bills. The amount that people spend repairing their cars is pretty much unpalateable for me.
Dealer parts for Euro cars are always retarded expensive. Shop online. They're at least half the price for OEM and you can go aftermarket and spend less than a third. Drove me nuts last year when I needed some parts for my Saab and decided to try to support the local economy. I was getting prices that were like 5x what I could find out of the US. Whenever I questioned the cost I got "Well it's a Saab. The parts are expensive. What do you expect?" So I just bought them all from outside the country.
Well to me a reliabe car is very important. Gotta take time off work, plus the.weekends are packed. I wont want to be taking it to the dealer every month. You have to worry about getting it scheduled, plus there is no guarantee that the problem will be fixed 100%. Sometimes its guess & test. I prefer be riding. Hey but if u're made of money, why not?


Most indy mechanics will look at the brand and charge accordingly. Plus some indy wont even want to touch a european car


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Euro cars are not reliable. I'll agree with you there. However, I have never been to an indy mechanic that had any problem working on either my Jetta, Porsche 944, or Saab 900. And they do not charge more per brand. I've never been charged a higher rate than what is put on the wall.

There is no problem getting work done. The problem is that these cars tend to need a lot of work and the parts can be costly. However, if you shop around you can usually find them pretty cheap.

A oil drain pan bolt for my BMW cost me $35. 35 bucks for a silly bolt.
Stop buying things that do not need to be OEM from the OEM then. I can almost guarantee you can find a bolt that will work perfectly fine for under $5.

Have u worked on a european car before?

Things are not positioned for an average joe to repair. For eg. to get to my Crankcase Ventilation valve, a stupid plastic valve that cost $50, I have to remove manifold, air intake, throttle bottles, cabin filter assembly and contort my hand around the intake. A 10hr project.
My starter is behind the engine, sandwiched between the engine and the car body. I don't even want to know how much hours it is to get to that.
This depends on the repair. Some things I've found were extremely easy on Euro cars. You're correct that in general they are harder to work on though.

Also want to say that my 87 944 is actually the most reliable Euro car I've owned out of the bunch.
 
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There are various testimonies of reports regarding the reliability of those cars and 1st hand accounts from other users who can attest to the reliability of those cars. You're not bringing any facts to the table, only trying to insult others.

I know all about the reliability issues of German cars. Hell, I even mentioned VAG's infamous window regulator issues in a previous post. Some people weigh the added costs of driving the car they want vs. driving the car the want to drive, not "something that will do", and make their choice. You're the one that's inferring they just don't know any better, which is myopic, at best.

You're not open to a discussion, you're open to a fight. No sense arguing with you. It's like arguing with a brick wall

I'm always open to an intelligent discussion.
 
Stop buying things that do not need to be OEM from the OEM then. I can almost guarantee you can find a bolt that will work perfectly fine for under $5.

Sunny's just casting out a line to see who'll bite. He rides a Beemer. If he was that adamant about the cost, price of parts, and reliability, he'd sell it and buy a GS500.
 
This perception that European cars are somehow a superior alternative to the Japanese variety often seduces otherwise intelligent people into buying overpriced European models that turn out to be lemons.
Many of the terms we take for granted, such as garage, chassis & coupé, are all French terms; we forget that the car originated in Europe, not America. Until about thirty years ago, European cars were unique and often had a real quality about them that you couldn’t get anywhere else, for example, Rolls-Royces (now owned by BMW), the sporty Fiats, Lancias & Alfa Romeos & the stylish Jaguars (now owned by Indian company Tata) – thirty years ago there were no Asian or American equivalents of any of those cars. However, for the past hundred years or so a small number of large corporations have been playing a giant Monopoly game, the stakes being all the world’s assets. Many European car companies have merged to survive and those that did not merge either became predators or prey. Thus the world’s car industry is controlled by a dozen or so major companies and with globalisation has come homogenisation; in other words all of the world’s cars are starting to look and feel the same. In the case of European cars, there are still a few differences, but regrettably, most of these differences are negative ones. There is a downside to European traditions: Europeans – and their businessmen are no exception – often refuse to move with the times and stubbornly cling to outdated systems – at least until annihilation threatens. In the 1980s the European car industry saw the rise of Japan and knew it was staring death in the face. At this point a wise European businessman would have borrowed the quality ethic from Asia, retained the best of the old European engineering tradition and dropped the rest. Instead the European car industry woke up one morning in a panic, threw out virtually their entire automotive heritage and suddenly began trying to out-Asian the Asians. Since 1980 the European carmakers have been world leaders in certain design and assembly techniques, but the new techniques tended to produce style over substance. The European carmakers knew that their customers were going to own their vehicles for only a few years before rust (Europeans put salt on their roads in winter), harsh government regulations and social pressure put the cars off the road; so they designed vehicles to last only a few years. And this strategy would have worked as long as there was no place called Asia. The older European cars had a certain je ne sais quoi, but je ne sais quoi is not a term corporate accountants are generally familiar with. The orders went out to sell more cars at higher profits and to hell with customer loyalty. Thus, today, most European cars are but shadows of their former glory, and they have most of the negative features of Asian cars (tinny bodies, plastic fittings, etc), with few of the positive features (long-term reliability, cheap parts, etc). Modern European cars may be shiny, stylish marvels of high technology, but they often have the long-term reliability of a politician’s promise. The Japanese can do the same and make a car that runs reliably for decades. Which vehicle would you buy? To be sure the more expensive European makes – Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Jaguar – can be nice to own and are very safe to drive, but you pay a premium price and you will lose horribly on depreciation. Depending on which make he or she chooses, the new customer may see the value of his or her luxury European model drop by around 40% in the first year alone, and it’s all downhill from there. Later owners will lose less to depreciation and more to horrific expenses for repairs. Unless you are a millionaire, you lose badly both ways. One of the key reasons that the European car industry failed to adequately adapt to the threat from Asia is that Europeans as a whole suffer from delusions of superiority in car design. They haven’t quite been able to accept that the Japanese succeeded because the Japanese produced more reliable cars at a better price. This unjustifiably arrogant streak often runs through the people who buy European cars as well. Not for them the humble Holden or Toyota – they will demonstrate their uniqueness and subtle superiority by buying a superior kind of car – it goes with the image. Of course, they pay a very high price for their pomposity. Repairs to the more expensive European makes may cost many times that of the equivalent Japanese car, and European makes tend to rate around the bottom, not the top, of reliability stakes. To be frank, European cars tend to be poorly designed, poorly engineered and poorly assembled. This applies to the expensive cars as well as the cheap (see the following article on German cars). Worse, when it comes to fixing them, European makes are an absolute pig. For example, on some Mercedes models, you have to take the entire dashboard out to change the tiny bulbs that light up the instruments at night. This can cost thousands of dollars. Were the designers stupid? No, they just never saw changing the light bulbs as being their problem. After all, many of their customers will have disposed of their cars long before the dashboard bulbs start blowing. European carmakers tend to achieve their wonders of performance and economy by developing extremely complex designs that, however well built, will inevitably fail, and often sooner rather than later. But they don’t see this as a problem; after all, complicated designs mean high labour charges and high labour charges keep the Mercedes workshops happy, at least until the Lexus dealer moves in next door. There are other considerations, too. Cars like the VW Golf may be a reasonable choice in Europe; however, we still don’t recommend them strongly simply because both Australia & New Zealand lack the infrastructure to support them. For example, if you own a five-year-old Toyota, you are one of thousands – there’s a whole local industry built up over thirty years to support you. There are plenty of garages that can fix them, and there’s plenty of competition to supply these garages with spare parts at very reasonable prices. If you own a five-year-old Golf, there is no such infrastructure. You own a car that only a few garages will want to fix, which probably means you’ll pay more, and if you take it to your local garage, you’ll pay for the mechanics to stumble their way through an unfamiliar set-up trying to figure out how it all works.
If you break down in Te Awamutu or the Northern Territory during the Christmas holidays, you’ll likely end up renting a car for the rest of your journey while the local mechanic scratches his head and begins the long and costly job of working out what’s wrong and searching, at your expense, for parts from God-knows-who in God-knows-where. When it comes to secondhand parts, you’ll pay a premium price for half-worn-out bits, and when it comes to new parts you’ll likely get robbed even more. It’s not uncommon for European car parts to cost up to several times the Japanese equivalent and to take several times as long to install. In terms of satisfying presentation, however, some European makes such as Audi, Jaguar & Porsche, are still somewhat better than their Asian counterparts. However, even this small advantage is rapidly waning. Have you noticed the number of Japanese cars that look as if they were designed in Europe or America? Chances are they were. The mechanical bits were probably still designed in Japan by white-coated engineers using computers. However, the shape and interior of any modern Japanese car body was probably sorted out in Europe or America in order to better suit local tastes. The bottom line, my friend, is this: in terms of personality, it’s arguable that no modern car has any real personality – they’re all sterile, efficient and produced using high tech materials that somehow rob them of life. Other than the antiquated Rolls Royce there hasn’t really been a Western car produced in the last thirty years that has a flicker of personality. All modern cars are examples of high-efficiency, computer-driven engineering with shallow, shiny styling on the top. Personality comes from a human touch that is totally lacking in anything from either America, Europe or Asia (however they still make Morris Oxfords in India). In terms of driving pleasure and styling, there are still a few European cars that have a certain je ne sais quoi, although each generation of European models looks a little more Japanese, and each generation of Japanese cars looks a little more European. We’re sorry to say this, but in every other way, the only real difference between modern European cars and Japanese cars is that the Japanese cars are sometimes cheaper and don’t break down so often. We suggest you take our word for this and avoid finding out the hard way.
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http://www.dogandlemon.com/articles/european-cars
 
There's a good mechanic that deals with VW and Audis in Thornhill near Bayview and 407 area. Solid guy, knows his German cars inside out, I've had all my cars serviced with him for years. Won't look for a reason to rip you off.
 
So if these vehicles all perform so poorly in the reliability ratings, why do people continue to buy them, often paying the price of two cars for one vehicle?

"Snob appeal," said David Champion Sr., director of Consumer Reports' Automotive Test Center in East Haddam, Conn.

Champion, who drives hundreds of car models annually, concedes that many of these brands also share another quality. "They can be really nice cars to drive," he said.
But that doesn't mean they will be reliable.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/26/business/la-fi-autos-european-20111026


I will try to dig up more reviews when I have another hour or 2 to spare
 
Don't bother. You already (unwittingly) answered your own question.

I'm arguing apples and you're arguing oranges.

Remember what I said about a brick wall??

NO use arguing with you
 
I had my A4 for 8 years and 200,000 km. During that time, I had one issue, when a squirrel decided to crawl into the engine bay and start chewing on my rad hose. $1700 later, all was good again. Apart from regular maintenance, the car was brilliant. yes, there was a recall on engine coils, but the dealer did that no problem and gave me free rentals to compensate me.
Compared to driving a Corolla or a Civic or whatever, you either 'get' it, or you don't. It's not a snobbery thing, but if you drive enough, your car should make you want to drive it, not just take you along for the ride.

I've driven the new Lexus GS and ES, and the new A6 and 5Series. IMO, the Japanese make a good product, but there was nothing that wanted me to drive that car, unlike the A6 or the 535. Those cars want to be driven.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
I like german cars and i love audi.

A lot of jap makes/ models are good too but never felt the connection.
 
Why does this remind me of a Seinfeld episode
 
I had my A4 for 8 years and 200,000 km. During that time, I had one issue, when a squirrel decided to crawl into the engine bay and start chewing on my rad hose. $1700 later, all was good again.

Did you drive without coolant? How did you get to $1700?
 
Sunny's just casting out a line to see who'll bite. He rides a Beemer. If he was that adamant about the cost, price of parts, and reliability, he'd sell it and buy a GS500.

Not true.... I was on the fence and spent many nights pondering which one to get. the BMW F800 or the Honda VFR800.

My brain said Honda, my heart said BMW.

I love my bike, I really do. And I knew I was taking a "quality" risk as I have been buying Japanese type vehicles all my life, with good success. I figured the bike would be less of a risk overall with less things to go wrong then with a German car, so I took the risk. And lost. :)

Bet ya the VFR would have been bulletproof.


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Nobody has brought any facts to the table, only anecdotal evidence, which when it comes to cars doesn't count for much at all. I really love VW/Audis. I am on my 4th VW. I think they are great. Not really the same or as expensive as an audi/bmw to repair, but certainly more than some of the japanese economy options. Anyways my first Jetta 1.8T that I bought was hell at first. The previous owner had obviously treated it like ****, but once I repaired everything It ran for 60,000km without needing a single repair/serious maintenance. I find the real problem with German cars is if you neglect to fix small problems early, you open yourself up to some very expensive problems down the road. Don't replace one part, you potentially risk damage to many other parts and the price can add up quickly. Your $80 single part problem can easily turn into a $400 problem + labour.


A whole 60K ? Wow
 
My Dad's 2004 Volvo V70r has had no issues so far.

For parts, check ebay. Got a full set of Brembo rotors with Hawk HPS Street pads for $480.
 
And QW, yes.

Mike (Tanner), Davide (KRAFTIG), and Joku in front of me at the Forks (I was driving my Rallye Golf that day)..

oh yes forgot about QW.. did one of those drives few years back, stop by Jouko's place in Georgetown. was Turbo S at that run? I usually do the coffee meets with Tanner, but not so much this summer. few of the guys have bikes too..


Even my father's 5000 had heated seats back in 81.

and that's what I'm trying to say, first ABS car was a '78 MB S-class, then 10 years later becomes more available then standard. the premium cars will have the breakthoughs and the innovations, and parts will remain the same as the car depreciate.. that's a given.. but that's the price you pay for innovations and driving enjoyment. some people are willing, some are not, to each its own, but there will always be people who are too quick to generalize.

and for the comment about snob appeal.. ask the writer how he view motorcyclist, he may not be your best friend after all..

all depends on which side of the fence you're on..
 
oh yes forgot about QW.. did one of those drives few years back, stop by Jouko's place in Georgetown. was Turbo S at that run?

That was the run the pic was from. The guys at Joku's were all over my car like a bunch of school children when we pulled in. I remember Eshel and Alon getting in a pissing match in their 911s on 10 on the way to lunch in Brampton. Ah, the good old pre-172 days.....
 
Did you drive without coolant? How did you get to $1700?
There squirrel started chewing through the rad hose but went on to eat through other components. It was 1200$ just in parts. The rest was Labour. I still regret selling that car because I needed an suv.
 
and that's what I'm trying to say, first ABS car was a '78 MB S-class, then 10 years later becomes more available then standard. the premium cars will have the breakthoughs and the innovations, and parts will remain the same as the car depreciate.. that's a given.. but that's the price you pay for innovations and driving enjoyment. some people are willing, some are not, to each its own, but there will always be people who are too quick to generalize.

Break throughs and innovations? General motors has had heads up displays since the 80's and bmw didn't get it till 2003!
 
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