Riceburner
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I can see MM still being upset about Argentina and Assen....slow Rossi till almost the end and then take the win from JL.
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MotoGP 2015
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That's why I say maybe.
Perhaps VR thinks he could have caught up with JL and passed him if MM had not been slowing him down.
You'd know if you were racing with someone and for 25 laps they were riding a certain pace and you felt they were slowing you down in certain spots. It would also be obvious if their pace picked up significantly in the last two laps.
I'm not saying I agree with VR but I'm just saying he might be right.
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MM doesn't (?) want Lorenzo to win. MM just wants to beat Rossi. I think it's as simple as that. At this point, beating Rossi probably is in his top 3 goals for the remaining races. 1 is to finish the race, the other is not to crash.
Oh my the drama!!! Good for Dorna's ticket and subscription sales! 
It's weird to hear VR speak like this.... He must be very frustrated but MM cares about MM and he wants to win.
Not going to sugar coat it but I would LOVE if VR wins another championship... I'm more 'team Vale' than 'team Lorenzo'
It's weird to hear VR speak like this.... He must be very frustrated but MM cares about MM and he wants to win.
Not going to sugar coat it but I would LOVE if VR wins another championship... I'm more 'team Vale' than 'team Lorenzo'
lator-illa
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It's a possibility and a valid argument that MAYBE, MM was purposely slowing down.
But I still don't believe it. He says he was overcooking his tires and I believe him. I don't think he likes Lorenzo enough and hate Vale enough for him to do that. Let's not forget, Iannone was also in the play so he couldn't have predicted the outcome at the end (had he been helping Lorenzo).
Rossi had his fair share of taking it to Lorenzo but it didn't happen so i'm baffled why he'd say it. Also Rossi's pace was faster than Lorenzo's so i'm a little confused.
But I still don't believe it. He says he was overcooking his tires and I believe him. I don't think he likes Lorenzo enough and hate Vale enough for him to do that. Let's not forget, Iannone was also in the play so he couldn't have predicted the outcome at the end (had he been helping Lorenzo).
Rossi had his fair share of taking it to Lorenzo but it didn't happen so i'm baffled why he'd say it. Also Rossi's pace was faster than Lorenzo's so i'm a little confused.
^This +100
BigEvilDoer
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Pretty amusing bunch of drama indeed.
A friend of mine who's an avid dirt biker, but hasn't watched more than 2 MotoGP races in his life (including the Philip Island race) thought that Marquez was sandbagging pretty badly - as evidenced by the massive gap he opened up on Lorenzo at the end of the race.
Personally, I think Rossi is stuffing a bug up Marquez's @ss right now. This is going to make Marquez race like a maniac, balls out the whole time and either crash or take the victory. The points spread between 1-2 and 2-3 is significant in a championship this close.. Either way, Rossi has a better chance to battle it out with Lorenzo.
A friend of mine who's an avid dirt biker, but hasn't watched more than 2 MotoGP races in his life (including the Philip Island race) thought that Marquez was sandbagging pretty badly - as evidenced by the massive gap he opened up on Lorenzo at the end of the race.
Personally, I think Rossi is stuffing a bug up Marquez's @ss right now. This is going to make Marquez race like a maniac, balls out the whole time and either crash or take the victory. The points spread between 1-2 and 2-3 is significant in a championship this close.. Either way, Rossi has a better chance to battle it out with Lorenzo.
Looking at the lap charts, I gotta say I think there's something to Vale's comments
First, there is only 2 laps all race Vale went faster than Marc (edit), but only 4 laps where Marc went faster than Jorge
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/LapChart.pdf?v3_ca84a24d
Next looking at the rider analysis chart, Marc not only did his fastest lap of the race on the last lap, he set 3 of his best sector times in the last 2 laps. and his ultimate pace was shown on lap 14 with a 1:29.2xx, but then he backed down to high 1:29's and 30's until the last 2 laps
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v3_8089a514
Finally, looking at the fastest laps classifications, the reality is Jorge's best lap was fifth fastest on the day, nearly 5 tenths off Marc's best.
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/FastLapRider.pdf?v3_28ae59a6
Combine all that with the fact that he qualified 3 tenths faster than anyone else... I'm buying it. I really do think he could have caught and passed Jorge at will... and ultimately, he did.
First, there is only 2 laps all race Vale went faster than Marc (edit), but only 4 laps where Marc went faster than Jorge
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/LapChart.pdf?v3_ca84a24d
Next looking at the rider analysis chart, Marc not only did his fastest lap of the race on the last lap, he set 3 of his best sector times in the last 2 laps. and his ultimate pace was shown on lap 14 with a 1:29.2xx, but then he backed down to high 1:29's and 30's until the last 2 laps
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v3_8089a514
Finally, looking at the fastest laps classifications, the reality is Jorge's best lap was fifth fastest on the day, nearly 5 tenths off Marc's best.
http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2015/AUS/MotoGP/RAC/FastLapRider.pdf?v3_28ae59a6
Combine all that with the fact that he qualified 3 tenths faster than anyone else... I'm buying it. I really do think he could have caught and passed Jorge at will... and ultimately, he did.
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lator-illa
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Hard to determine. I wouldn't say Marc could have caught Jorge at will. Look at the lap times, Jorge was .4 seconds slower than his previous lap due to a mistake and Marquez was .4 seconds faster.
I don't race so I don't have first hand view, but is it really far-fetched that he overcooks his tires and ultimately slows him down mid race, only for him to go all out the final two laps?
I don't race so I don't have first hand view, but is it really far-fetched that he overcooks his tires and ultimately slows him down mid race, only for him to go all out the final two laps?
Your pace can overheat the tires and you feel them losing grip and becoming "slippery", if you slow down the tires will cool off and some of the grip will come back.
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I'm not saying he did or didn't do something but there could be some merit to what VR is saying.
The three of them were running almost the same pace as JL the whole race. If MM was conserving his tires the best thing he could have done was bridge the gap to JL then follow him until there was 1-2 laps left then go.
It's hard to conserve tires when you're locked in a battle with other riders.
It does seem a little fishy... But who knows what really happened. Maybe VR is trying to light a fire under MM so he wins at Sepang and Valencia. If Rossi figures he can't beat JL at either track it's best if MM wins. If JL is 2nd and VR is 3rd for both races VR will win the championship by 3 points.
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I don't want to be a fan of Rossi because he's so perfect it's too easy to like him. So as you'd expect, with this claim he's made against MM, he's perfectly right.
I put together this graph of all the riders speeds over the course of the race and it's very, very clear that Marquez was up to something. He was messing up people's lap times in a way that looks entirely deliberate.
He was the most inconsistent rider of them all (orange line), but there is also a pattern to his inconsistency at various parts of the race. It's clear that his goals are to hinder Rossi as much as possible and win the race. We can see that he was by far the fastest, so he has complete control of everyone's pace. In fact Lorenzo was consistently very much slower than both Rossi and Iannone. If it hadn't been for Marquez, he would have finished off the podium. Marquez himself should have rocketed out to the lead while Rossi and Iannone might have had a great battle for 2nd.
It makes sense also looking at the extremely unusual tightness of the pack and number of passes. Sorry to say it, but that wasn't a real race we watched. Even the "greatest pass of all time" was a direct result of Marquez making Rossi's life impossible, and Iannone just being there to scoop up the easy prey.
I put together this graph of all the riders speeds over the course of the race and it's very, very clear that Marquez was up to something. He was messing up people's lap times in a way that looks entirely deliberate.
He was the most inconsistent rider of them all (orange line), but there is also a pattern to his inconsistency at various parts of the race. It's clear that his goals are to hinder Rossi as much as possible and win the race. We can see that he was by far the fastest, so he has complete control of everyone's pace. In fact Lorenzo was consistently very much slower than both Rossi and Iannone. If it hadn't been for Marquez, he would have finished off the podium. Marquez himself should have rocketed out to the lead while Rossi and Iannone might have had a great battle for 2nd.
It makes sense also looking at the extremely unusual tightness of the pack and number of passes. Sorry to say it, but that wasn't a real race we watched. Even the "greatest pass of all time" was a direct result of Marquez making Rossi's life impossible, and Iannone just being there to scoop up the easy prey.
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22 Oct - Sepang - Free Practice Two (FP2) or TORRENT
I don't want to be a fan of Rossi because he's so perfect it's too easy to like him. So as you'd expect, with this claim he's made against MM, he's perfectly right.
I put together this graph of all the riders speeds over the course of the race and it's very, very clear that Marquez was up to something. He was messing up people's lap times in a way that looks entirely deliberate.
He was the most inconsistent rider of them all (orange line), but there is also a pattern to his inconsistency at various parts of the race. It's clear that his goals are to hinder Rossi as much as possible and win the race. We can see that he was by far the fastest, so he has complete control of everyone's pace. In fact Lorenzo was consistently very much slower than both Rossi and Iannone. If it hadn't been for Marquez, he would have finished off the podium. Marquez himself should have rocketed out to the lead while Rossi and Iannone might have had a great battle for 2nd.
It makes sense also looking at the extremely unusual tightness of the pack and number of passes. Sorry to say it, but that wasn't a real race we watched. Even the "greatest pass of all time" was a direct result of Marquez making Rossi's life impossible, and Iannone just being there to scoop up the easy prey.
Calling it out (whether true or not) puts the ball in MM's court. This way if he does slow down riders, then everyone will say "Look! Rossi was right!" and if he goes for the win and Rossi has a decent finish, again everyone will go "Look! Rossi was right!"
More mind games for the Doctor. Doing everything he can to secure that championship.
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