More car tire(on a mc) fun
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I think someone said I'm a few fries short of a happy meal! Wasn't sure if that was a compliment or not
-Jamie M.
hahahahah
jamie maybe if you ran a 345/45/18 rear CAR tire you'd have more grip and the above wouldn't have had happened
There are many times that I'm glad we don't have annual TuV or MoT inspections here.
Then there are times that I wish we did.
I won't throw stones TOO quickly in the direction of the "darksiders", because I don't own a vehicle that is not modified (and I only own one vehicle that has stock suspension and tires, and that's only because it hasn't been modded YET!), and those who live in glass houses had best not be throwing stones.
But, I have a very difficult time believing that a tire profile like that of a car tire, has any hope of giving correct and predictable handling characteristics when used on a motorcycle, and I strongly suspect that those who claim that there aren't any issues, have simply not done anything with their bikes that would have come close to the limitations ... YET.
You are not going to find handling or stability issues by going 65 mph on Interstate 75, and that (or something like it) seems to be the main type of riding that the "darksiders" do. That can all change when one needs to change direction quickly for whatever reason, whether it's by being surprised by a corner tightening up or by something crossing your path or some other such thing.
But, as with someone else's recent post, I don't "get" cruisers or touring bikes. If I'm taking my bike somewhere that involves long straight roads, the bike is in the trailer and I'm in the car towing it until I get to somewhere that the roads aren't straight.
Then there are times that I wish we did.
I won't throw stones TOO quickly in the direction of the "darksiders", because I don't own a vehicle that is not modified (and I only own one vehicle that has stock suspension and tires, and that's only because it hasn't been modded YET!), and those who live in glass houses had best not be throwing stones.
But, I have a very difficult time believing that a tire profile like that of a car tire, has any hope of giving correct and predictable handling characteristics when used on a motorcycle, and I strongly suspect that those who claim that there aren't any issues, have simply not done anything with their bikes that would have come close to the limitations ... YET.
You are not going to find handling or stability issues by going 65 mph on Interstate 75, and that (or something like it) seems to be the main type of riding that the "darksiders" do. That can all change when one needs to change direction quickly for whatever reason, whether it's by being surprised by a corner tightening up or by something crossing your path or some other such thing.
But, as with someone else's recent post, I don't "get" cruisers or touring bikes. If I'm taking my bike somewhere that involves long straight roads, the bike is in the trailer and I'm in the car towing it until I get to somewhere that the roads aren't straight.
That's a Nokian WR winter tire in his first pic! Which he consistently spells "Nokia". Maybe he can make phone calls with his rear tire too?
A few nuggets from that link:
- Sidewalls aren't made for driving on. The good news is, that I don't drive on them.
- Cost is not my real motivator, but it is an advantage.
- My point here is that motorcycle tires for my street bike are 25-year old technology, at prices we should not see for another 50 years when compared to car tires.
- Are you going to put one on the front? No. The front tire's job is profile dependant. It could be done, but substantial modification to the rake and angle of the steering head would be needed.
- Basically, I've found it to be superior in all conditions.
- My line and speed into hard corners is unchanged, and I have the added benefit that I can absolutely slam the throttle exiting the curve without so much a squiggle.
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Not only that, but once you arrive at the twisty bits, a cruiser robs you of all the fun since it barely leans. This darksider guy seems to think scraping pegs is a badge of honour the way he goes on and on about it. I was scraping pegs on the first day of my MSF course, and trust me, I was not a good rider a the time!
N3WMAN
Well-known member
What do I win?
Nothing today, but one day you might win the Darwin award
daught
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His experience with what? Running a bare rim vs a car tire on it? Anyone who tried two different motorcycle tires knows his claims are bull.
N3WMAN
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They could throw it on a NASCAR since they'll only use the left side, and I hear motorcycle tires on car rims offer more grip.
His experience riding a 900lbs bike in a straight line. Experiences are personal and varied.. what you might perceive as twisties is something this guy has never in his life seen. What he considers 'spirited performance riding' or 'adverse conditions' I might equate to a quick sunday rip around the neighbourhood.
You can't say he's wrong, he just rides a different ride. I seriously doubt that he's lying to us and himself about his experiences with a car tire on the back of his heavy-*** cruiser... its been a success to him, and as such is an obviously viable option for some riders. I guess what Im saying is that you guys are berating the practice as if its guaranteed to kill you, whereas in all practical reality it serves the purpose of many riders just fine, despite not being optimal.
I'm curious about insurance.
Would this be a nono in there eyes, a mod?
I bet if you were to get into a serious crash your fault or not you would be declined your coverage if they found out there was a car tire on your bike.
Might a cop even charge you or the mto?
How about safety certificates?
I would never sign a safety on a bike with a car tire on it.
Would this be a nono in there eyes, a mod?
I bet if you were to get into a serious crash your fault or not you would be declined your coverage if they found out there was a car tire on your bike.
Might a cop even charge you or the mto?
How about safety certificates?
I would never sign a safety on a bike with a car tire on it.
macrider
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Whether it a motorcycle tire or car tire is not an issue with insurance companies.
As long as the tire is DOT approved its ok on a bike.
A reminder also that a lot of bikes up until about 1978 had car tires on the rear.
Heres an email that was sent by another Darksider to his insurance company and the response..
Thank you for contacting Progressive. We appreciate the time you have taken to send us the information that we requested.
I reviewed our guidelines and as long as the bike hasn't been modifiedto accept the tire, it can be used.
If the frame of the motorcycle had been modified then a surcharge would be applied.
We appreciate the time you took to explore our Web site and quote a new policy with Progressive. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to reply to this e-mail or contact our Customer Service Department.
Sincerely,
Ingrid W.
Progressive
Internet Representative
As long as the tire is DOT approved its ok on a bike.
A reminder also that a lot of bikes up until about 1978 had car tires on the rear.
Heres an email that was sent by another Darksider to his insurance company and the response..
Thank you for contacting Progressive. We appreciate the time you have taken to send us the information that we requested.
I reviewed our guidelines and as long as the bike hasn't been modifiedto accept the tire, it can be used.
If the frame of the motorcycle had been modified then a surcharge would be applied.
We appreciate the time you took to explore our Web site and quote a new policy with Progressive. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to reply to this e-mail or contact our Customer Service Department.
Sincerely,
Ingrid W.
Progressive
Internet Representative
And drum brakes F and R
lol
N3WMAN
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So the motorcycle industry figured out it was a bad idea 35 years ago.
