More car tire(on a mc) fun

Also, in answer to Faststars question, no there is no downside, at least nothing serious.
Some Darksiders have said the bike tends to be a little bit "Flickable" when the tire is new, but that goes away after a few hundred miles.
Also the bike tends to follow tar snakes and irregularities in the road when the tire is new.
But it's nothing an experienced biker can't handle.
The type of car tire you have also is important, some are not good and some are.
General Altimax , Riken Rapters, Goodyear Hydroedge are good well proven Darkside tires.
Something to do with the slightly rounded edges and the rubber hardness.
And ok I won't go knocking on anyones doors.

The reason I asked was to see if you knew all the risks. I'm not one to get in the way of people who want to break the rules, or blaze uncharted grounds. I do however I expect that mature, responsible people will make sure they are aware of all the real and potential risks before they do so.

And from your reply, you clearly aren't aware of all the risks. I suspect most darksiders aren't either. The mere fact that you guys defend your choice with gems of reasoning like "I tried it and it worked", or "millions of cumulative miles and no blowout yet", or "look, I videoed the rear tire!" suggested the depth of your ignorance all along.

The most obvious risk that you didn't mention is that in certain conditions, rear grip is absolutely compromised. Even straight up and down accelerating or braking can be worse on a car tires, if there's standing water for instance.

Even between different models of MC tires, there are a range of different handling characteristics to be found. Some designs favour the wet, others dry, or gravel. Some favour grip, others longevity. It can cause some unpleasant suprises if you mix and match them front and rear just to find out one day when you really need the grip, that the bike's balance is completely different on one surface than another. With a car tire, you can't even pinpoint where it sits on the spectrum of handling characteristics enough to have any idea of what behaviour to expect!

Another risk is cornering grip, which of course will clearly be compromised as well. There's a sequence of photos out on the net somewhere of a darksider at the Gap losing the rear end of his cruiser going into a curve. I've never seen that on a bike with a proper rear tire.

Losing grip doesn't have to happen a lot to be dangerous. If a tire was found to be responsible for crashes only once out of every million cumulative miles (when used as intended), that tire manufacturer would make headline news and would be sued into oblivion. Remember Ford and Firestone? So even designated passenger car tires can be unsuitable for certain applications (it's not like those tires were used exclusively on Explorers, but those are the ones that failed the most). So the relationship between a vehicle and it's tires is a bit symbiotic; they interact with each other and affect each other's behaviour. An you're saying that a CT on a MC is a good idea. Hmmmmmm, OK.

Another risk is the loss of predictable behaviour. It could be extra stable when you don't need it to be, like in a fast emergency manoeuver, and instable when you need it to be stable, such as transitioning onto the throttle (or brakes) in a corner.

Manufacturers have all sorts of precise instruments and specifications established from decades of experience, built on expertise from proven, accomplished riders. They could not design a safe tire without these methods. They know exactly how a tire needs to behave from hundreds of different perspectives. Replacing all that with a standard such as "darksiders have said..." is worth exactly zero in terms of reassurance. Do you even know what UTQG is, or how to use it? Do your darksider friends know? UTQG isn't engineering talk. It's information intended for consumers to use, so we can make a more educated car tire buying decision. Have any of them ever spoken about it when recommending their Rikens and Generals? I imagine it had more to do with what was on sale at Wal-Mart.

Another risk is that of structural failure. Imagine the following scenario: You're on a holiday ride, with your wife and a few weeks clothes in the back, cruising down a nice empty interstate at a fair clip . Your pace is high because you're enjoying the speed, there are no hazards, you are looking forward to getting to your destination and it's a blazing hot day so a stronger breeze helps keep you cool (which is why you're both riding squid). You've been heading for the hills for an hour, and the first sign of the twisties that you have been looking forward to appears as a mild sweeper up ahead. Nothing challenging yet, especially since you run a bit lower pressure on your rear car tire to help give a bigger contact patch in the corners.

Does this sound good to you? Because anyone with a bit of tire knowledge who is reading this is cringing at the idea of what comes next, they can see it coming like the scenes of a bad Hollywood movie. It is the perfect scenario for a rear tire blowout. High loads, high speeds, hot weather, low tire pressure. Bam.

I give darksiders full credit for trying something new, but from there to go and claim it's safe is near lunacy. If they at least showed that they knew the risks, tried to mitigate them and simply accepted the risk they couldn't control, then I could at least respect that.

As it stands, they seem to be living in a bubble of ignorance, sheltering themselves amongst their "enlightened" kin so they don't have to give any serious critical thought to what they are doing.
 
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The reason I asked was to see if you knew all the risks. I'm not one to get in the way of people who want to break the rules, or blaze uncharted grounds. I do however I expect that mature, responsible people will make sure they are aware of all the real and potential risks before they do so.

And from your reply, you clearly aren't aware of all the risks. I suspect most darksiders aren't either. The mere fact that you guys defend your choice with gems of reasoning like "I tried it and it worked", or "millions of cumulative miles and no blowout yet", or "look, I videoed the rear tire!" suggested the depth of your ignorance all along.

The most obvious risk that you didn't mention is that in certain conditions, rear grip is absolutely compromised. Even straight up and down accelerating or braking can be worse on a car tires, if there's standing water for instance.

Even between different models of MC tires, there are a range of different handling characteristics to be found. Some designs favour the wet, others dry, or gravel. Some favour grip, others longevity. It can cause some unpleasant suprises if you mix and match them front and rear just to find out one day when you really need the grip, that the bike's balance is completely different on one surface than another. With a car tire, you can't even pinpoint where it sits on the spectrum of handling characteristics enough to have any idea of what behaviour to expect!

Another risk is cornering grip, which of course will clearly be compromised as well. There's a sequence of photos out on the net somewhere of a darksider at the Gap losing the rear end of his cruiser going into a curve. I've never seen that on a bike with a proper rear tire.

Losing grip doesn't have to happen a lot to be dangerous. If a tire was found to be responsible for crashes only once out of every million cumulative miles (when used as intended), that tire manufacturer would make headline news and would be sued into oblivion. Remember Ford and Firestone? So even designated passenger car tires can be unsuitable for certain applications (it's not like those tires were used exclusively on Explorers, but those are the ones that failed the most). So the relationship between a vehicle and it's tires is a bit symbiotic; they interact with each other and affect each other's behaviour. An you're saying that a CT on a MC is a good idea. Hmmmmmm, OK.

Another risk is the loss of predictable behaviour. It could be extra stable when you don't need it to be, like in a fast emergency manoeuver, and instable when you need it to be stable, such as transitioning onto the throttle (or brakes) in a corner.

Manufacturers have all sorts of precise instruments and specifications established from decades of experience, built on expertise from proven, accomplished riders. They could not design a safe tire without these methods. They know exactly how a tire needs to behave from hundreds of different perspectives. Replacing all that with a standard such as "darksiders have said..." is worth exactly zero in terms of reassurance. Do you even know what UTQG is, or how to use it? Do your darksider friends know? UTQG isn't engineering talk. It's information intended for consumers to use, so we can make a more educated car tire buying decision. Have any of them ever spoken about it when recommending their Rikens and Generals? I imagine it had more to do with what was on sale at Wal-Mart.

Another risk is that of structural failure. Imagine the following scenario: You're on a holiday ride, with your wife and a few weeks clothes in the back, cruising down a nice empty interstate at a fair clip . Your pace is high because you're enjoying the speed, there are no hazards, you are looking forward to getting to your destination and it's a blazing hot day so a stronger breeze helps keep you cool (which is why you're both riding squid). You've been heading for the hills for an hour, and the first sign of the twisties that you have been looking forward to appears as a mild sweeper up ahead. Nothing challenging yet, especially since you run a bit lower pressure on your rear car tire to help give a bigger contact patch in the corners.

Does this sound good to you? Because anyone with a bit of tire knowledge who is reading this is cringing at the idea of what comes next, they can see it coming like the scenes of a bad Hollywood movie. It is the perfect scenario for a rear tire blowout. High loads, high speeds, hot weather, low tire pressure. Bam.

I give darksiders full credit for trying something new, but from there to go and claim it's safe is near lunacy. If they at least showed that they knew the risks, tried to mitigate them and simply accepted the risk they couldn't control, then I could at least respect that.

As it stands, they seem to be living in a bubble of ignorance, sheltering themselves amongst their "enlightened" kin so they don't have to give any serious critical thought to what they are doing.

Thats a big wall of text without any actual proof that this practice is unsafe. :lol:
 
What would you consider "proof"? Give me an example.

People crashing all over the place? :lol:

Funny enough I just saw a guy with a car tire on the back of his Honda cruiser an hour ago on Hurontario. He survived.
 
People crashing all over the place? :lol:

Funny enough I just saw a guy with a car tire on the back of his Honda cruiser an hour ago on Hurontario. He survived.

You can smoke a pack of smokes a day and live to 85, too. Maybe.

Or you can end up like the guy in the photo sequence above ...
 
There are a hundred other crash photos from the gap of people on motorcycle tires too.... not sure Im ready to draw any conclusions there.
 
if car tires are so great why not run one in the front too.

tell me why not and see if that doesnt apply to the rear aswell.
 
Good luck finding a car tire that will fit the front of your bike :lol:

You guys are really vested in this argument eh? All Im sayin is it works, and there don't appear to be any catastrophic failures causing 'unsafe' conditions. I wouldn't do it myself, but clearly it works fine.

Car tires are immensely strong, they undergo way more stress on a car than they ever would on a bike. Honestly, the only 'failure' I can see happening is simply leaning too far and falling off the edge... which in the end is simply rider error. IMO if you have a bike with enough clearance to out-lean the capability of a car tire you probably shouldn't be using one.

Let me know when a 600lbs bike will put any of this kind of torture on a car tire.
[video=youtube;nmo_dkNZIHM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmo_dkNZIHM[/video]
 
Let me know when a 600lbs bike will put any of this kind of torture on a car tire.
[video=youtube;nmo_dkNZIHM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmo_dkNZIHM[/video]

On a planet with a mass of earth x 10?
 
Does anyone wanna lend me their darkside goldwing for testing on Neptune?
 
My last car tire had 30,000 Kms on it and it turned far better than any motorcycle tire and with far more traction.
Hey macrider, do you know any darksiders with 17" rims? I looked at available 17" tires sizes and there didn't seem to be much in 185 or 195.

-Jamie M.
(P.S. In case anyone is wondering, no, it's not for my R1, lol)
 
Hey macrider, do you know any darksiders with 17" rims? I looked at available 17" tires sizes and there didn't seem to be much in 185 or 195.

-Jamie M.
(P.S. In case anyone is wondering, no, it's not for my R1, lol)

Yokohama S.drive is available in 195/45-17, best I could find.
 
Yokohama S.drive is available in 195/45-17, best I could find.
Yikes, 45, that'll be a little shorter than most motorcycle tires. Thanks, I'll check it out :)

It seems most "darksiders" prefer snow tires. I was able to see some weird Goodyear UltraGrip 6 185/55-17's snow tires, but I think they are an old or discontinued model, can't find them anywhere, but they'd be a perfect fit for this bike :D

-Jamie M.
 
Yikes, 45, that'll be a little shorter than most motorcycle tires. Thanks, I'll check it out :)

It seems most "darksiders" prefer snow tires. I was able to see some weird Goodyear UltraGrip 6 185/55-17's snow tires, but I think they are an old or discontinued model, can't find them anywhere, but they'd be a perfect fit for this bike :D

-Jamie M.

Which bike?

I know on the vfr you can fit a 4x100 17" car rim no problem, so darksiding would not really be an issue on a VFR.
 
Which bike? I know on the vfr you can fit a 4x100 17" car rim no problem, so darksiding would not really be an issue on a VFR.
It's a viffer 1200 ;)

I see Nitto has some Winter S2 tires in 205/50R17, might be too wide to fit on the viffer's stock setup (rim width is fine, it's clearance to swingarm I'd worried about). I don't think he'll swap rims.

-Jamie M.
 
It's a viffer 1200 ;)

I see Nitto has some Winter S2 tires in 205/50R17, might be too wide to fit on the viffer's stock setup (rim width is fine, it's clearance to swingarm I'd worried about). I don't think he'll swap rims.

-Jamie M.

He should, one of the issues with going darkside is not having a bead that sits right on the rim.
 
He should, one of the issues with going darkside is not having a bead that sits right on the rim.
Ahhhh, didn't read that! So the motorcycle rim has a different bead setup than a car rim? Damn.

-Jamie M.
 
Ahhhh, didn't read that! So the motorcycle rim has a different bead setup than a car rim? Damn.

-Jamie M.

Thats what I have heard. He will probably be ok as most darksiders run stock rims, but most of them are on goldwings or other cruisers. Not sure how well it would go on a VFR.
 
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