kickstartt
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trying a little too hard to be politically correct here...
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merry.... ummmm... day ?
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No I just lived with them for 2 years in one of the most heavily populated Muslim areas outside of the middle east.
If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck - it's a 4 legged animal formerly known as a duck.
Ok so I am going to edit your insults as that is not permitted.
Second... do some research... I can give you at least two pagan holidays that existed on every date or time of year for every christian holiday...
Pagan Scandinavia celebrated a winter festival called Yule, held in the late December to early January period.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] As Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, its pagan traditions had a major influence on Christmas, especially Koleda,[SUP][93][/SUP] which was incorporated into the Christmas carol. Scandinavians still call Christmas Jul. In English, the word Yule is synonymous with Christmas,
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a usage first recorded in 900.
In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.
In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.
In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.
And what about the 'Christmas Tree'
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
What was that.... Druid connections... No.... *cool*
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
What was that.... Druid connections... No.... *cool*
killerkeith
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And NOT BEING CHRISTIAN...they left you alone.
This reminds me of the sign that used to be on the wall in the shop I worked at right behind the cash register (Mind you this is was Elmira):
In a recent survey Canadians were asked are there too many immigrants in this country? The results were as follows:
18% said Yes
15% said No
67% said أنا لا تفهم السؤال من فضلك!
I don't understand why we have to change our traditions to make sure other cultures feel comfortable? Do you think if enough Canadians go to China they are going to call off their Chinese new years? Or if we go to the middle east and tell them they should dress differently? I doubt that. .
Kids arent even allowed to dress up in school for halloween anymore.
In a recent survey Canadians were asked are there too many immigrants in this country? The results were as follows:
18% said Yes
15% said No
67% said أنا لا تفهم السؤال من فضلك!
I don't understand why we have to change our traditions to make sure other cultures feel comfortable? Do you think if enough Canadians go to China they are going to call off their Chinese new years? Or if we go to the middle east and tell them they should dress differently? I doubt that. .
Kids arent even allowed to dress up in school for halloween anymore.
Yea, the tree outdates Christianity. Does anyone really think that decorating a plant and dancing around it would be looked fondly upon by the Christian god? Some dude on a sleigh, dropping gifts - is that in a bible?
With that said when people want to celebrate Christmas, let's call it that, not "holidays."
With that said when people want to celebrate Christmas, let's call it that, not "holidays."
I honestly don't understand what the kurfuffle is about.
Some people think that we as a society need to evolve to include everyone. Well if you ask me the majory of people that "celebrate" Christmas aren't religious. Christmas has evolved from being about the son of some Flying Spaghetti Monster to being about friends and family and all that crap. Some people get hung up on the name without really seeing what the majority of people view the holiday as.
Some people think that we as a society need to evolve to include everyone. Well if you ask me the majory of people that "celebrate" Christmas aren't religious. Christmas has evolved from being about the son of some Flying Spaghetti Monster to being about friends and family and all that crap. Some people get hung up on the name without really seeing what the majority of people view the holiday as.
Most religions have a holiday around this time of year.
To me its the Winter Solstice/Yule. Still a holiday for me just not what people call Christmas.
Well hes welcome to his opinion and I am up for the debate. No need to be mean about it
Seriously it's not just a religious holiday in this country but an actual National holiday. Not understanding what the issue is with having a Christmas Tree in a government building is. After all it is a national holiday. Braveheart I totally agree it's a Christmas tree, friggen call it that!
Christmas trees are a tradition and nothing really to do with the birth of Christ. Just like some people make a certain dish every Christmas, or what ever stuff you or your family does every Christmas. You don't see people freaking out with menorah's or the star of David, that's pretty much plastered everywhere around this time as well.
Merry Christmas people or happy whatever you celebrate or not celebrate.
Let the flaming begin
Christmas trees are a tradition and nothing really to do with the birth of Christ. Just like some people make a certain dish every Christmas, or what ever stuff you or your family does every Christmas. You don't see people freaking out with menorah's or the star of David, that's pretty much plastered everywhere around this time as well.
Merry Christmas people or happy whatever you celebrate or not celebrate.
Let the flaming begin
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so now we know its doesn't have Christian origins. So what's the big fuss?? Its not religion based according to the above post. Leave it as Christmas?
I'm an immigrant and I can tell u this, I didn't leave my country to settle in another with the same customs. I came here because I love Canadian Customs (well, not all of it). If I knew I were coming to Canada to live in Chinese/Middle East/Eastern Europe Customs; I would have flew directly to those countries.
Have a few friends who were girls and they have to wear a sweater in the desert to cover their skin :shock:
Over here, we're still debating if we should have them remove their veil while at the border
ABadjusterrider_5
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2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
--> This doesn't just mean people coming here. This means us, as citizens as Canada. We can practice our religion without fear or intimidation.
The people coming here need to accept the fact that we have estabilished customs and holidays. Much like we as Canadians accept their customs when we go to their country. So **** you very much and Merry Christmas. Ya don't like it? Go home.
Some guy wants to wish me a happy Chinese new year, or whatever. I'll happily accept and return the favor.
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
--> This doesn't just mean people coming here. This means us, as citizens as Canada. We can practice our religion without fear or intimidation.
The people coming here need to accept the fact that we have estabilished customs and holidays. Much like we as Canadians accept their customs when we go to their country. So **** you very much and Merry Christmas. Ya don't like it? Go home.
Some guy wants to wish me a happy Chinese new year, or whatever. I'll happily accept and return the favor.
This is spot on in my opinion. No one forces anyone to move here, if you dont like it your free to leave.
santa squid says pass the calamari
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