POWERMAN
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I wonder how long before they start encrypting ECU's like some car manufacturers do, currently.
Does the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act apply for us here in Canada as well? (I think it does?)
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I wonder how long before they start encrypting ECU's like some car manufacturers do, currently.
Does the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act apply for us here in Canada as well? (I think it does?)
MM is US law, not Canadian.
You mean like how Ducati currently does?
There is quite an active community of ECU crackers. Apparently the Panigale V4 encrypted ECU took a while to break.
Wanna hear something really douchey?
What is an ECU reflash? | From remaps to modules: motorcycle tuning explained (bennetts.co.uk)
Their consent is not a factor, it's not their property.
Anywho, i was told differently but someone pretty high up in an OEM.
We can agree to disagree
yeah all the premium brands are doing it by now i imagine.You mean like how Ducati currently does?
There is quite an active community of ECU crackers. Apparently the Panigale V4 encrypted ECU took a while to break.
Wanna hear something really douchey?
What is an ECU reflash? | From remaps to modules: motorcycle tuning explained (bennetts.co.uk)
Agree to disagree is OK. It would be awesome if you could find evidence of a manufacturer that knew about a reflash that paid a powertrain claim. I haven't heard of that situation. Either the manufacturer didn't know it had happened or the claim was denied. Some manufacturers automatically check the flash count and tag the VIN to kill the powertrain warranty if the vehicle is ever connected to the mothership for any reason. Dealerships are different, some know but don't pass it up the line (as often they made some money when the flash was installed).Their consent is not a factor, it's not their property.
Anywho, i was told differently but someone pretty high up in an OEM.
We can agree to disagree
DMCA says original ECU code is not your property (likely manufacturer or supplier like Bosch). You have permission to use it, but not look at it or change it in any way. Not applicable in Canada and I haven't bothered to see what the Canadian law says. Ultimately, I doubt it matters, they will find another way to make it your problem if it comes down to it.
TK4
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Had a Ducati Monster 696 come in to my buddy's shop after some minor vandalism. It needed the ignition switch replaced.
The owner had bought it used. Without the magic red key (or credit card - it depends on model) which she didn't have, you need to replace the ECU and the dashboard to make everything work again. WTF is that all about ???
The owner had bought it used. Without the magic red key (or credit card - it depends on model) which she didn't have, you need to replace the ECU and the dashboard to make everything work again. WTF is that all about ???
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Well...that seems silly. What if a tech botched a job and had to reflash for an update, you just lost your warranty? How would you ever be able to prove that?
Warranty only lasts a certain period anyways, and for most people in this country we can probably cut that number of useable time in at least half. With the build quality on most things, getting a flash from a reputable company seems like a safe dice roll, imo.
Tech reflashing is ok as the mothership sees that and isn't concerned. Well for at least some cars anyway. I do not know if all cars or bikes require connection to the mothership while getting manufacturer approved/required flashing.
I think in many cases a reflash is a great thing. Cleaning up throttle response makes the bike safer and more enjoyable. I just wouldn't be surprised if I had an epic battle on my hands if I had a powertrain issue during the warranty period. Anyone that argues a flash back removes that issue is either being obtuse or hasn't experienced it yet. The flash back introduces another opportunity to brick the ECU (rare but possible) while doing very little in terms of warranty coverage imo.
bigpoppa
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Wont have to worry about it on a trials bike!
Antitheft / anti-odometer-tampering etc. The powertrain ECU, instrument cluster, and antitheft module are all coded to each other and can't be individually replaced without being re-coded to each other, which is (supposed to be) only possible with the bike connected via the dealer's diagnostic software to the mothership.
As for ECU reflashing ... I think you are going to find that any bike subject to Euro 5 (when sold elsewhere in the world) will have the ECU locked/encrypted/??. Doesn't mean someone won't eventually find a way around it, but in the automotive world, some manufacturers are stating that their ECUs are uncrackable. The Chevrolet C8 Corvette is one of them.
Just because you take your bike in for an oil change during the warranty period, doesn't mean the dealer is going to connect to the mothership. Most won't, but some could. It's really common in the automotive world nowadays to plug into the diagnostic port when the car is in for service. That automatically connects to the mothership. They do a few things - scan all of the modules in the car for fault codes, record the mileage and time that the car was in for service, and if there are any software updates, they could apply them. They can also record flash counter status and software version numbers and the like. If you've had the ECU reflashed, they'll know, even if you have had it reflashed back (because of the flash counter).
Most of the Japanese bike dealers aren't at that point yet.
Nope. Some car dealers tell you that tunes don't void the warranty and even have associated shops that can tune the car for you (you pay the dealer). The dealer is not the manufacturer. The mothership controls all and the dealer is a passenger on that train.
yeah they will attach a factory optional exhaust, but that's about it.
bigpoppa
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I guess I can wait till after the warranty to put on that exhaust
a slip on should be fine, but it's likely a giant catalytic is eating up all the noise you`re probably looking for.
bigpoppa
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well the one I was looking at is the one sold and marketed by KTM, its a fairly popular full system akra
Well, if the mothership approves the hardware and tune, that is different. You can't take the dealerships word that it is ok, but I'd have no concerns with mothership approved products (and you should be able to get something official that says your warranty is intact). Or just do what many people do and say screw any potential warranty implications, you want the vehicle to perform as you want and go nuts.
bigpoppa
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