Man charged with stabbing intruder

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I read it in the Toronto Sun....The Calgary one is a word for word copy of the one in Toronto's paper this am.


Regardless of whether or not the Hero was a retard for going towards cops with a gun in his hand, he is dead from what is possibly mistaken identity...and somehow that's okay, but it isn't okay to hurt or kill an intruder in your family's home. That is the point I am trying to make.


If you have a badge or a public face, you are above the law.

Pretty irrelevant comparison, other than just to complain about cops.

Besides, what the frack are the cops supposed to do? They arrive at the scene of a shooting and encounter a man with gun who doesn't drop it when told to. It's tragic either way, especially if the witnesses were accurate. But the cops responded the way that they are trained to. I suppose you have an alternative tactical suggestion to make?

Or if you want to tie it back it with the original topic: if you encounter an intruder in your home with a firearm, feel free to shoot him first. I don't think you're gonna get dinged for that one.

 

[GayManLoveIsOK]

the way the media portrays it, if i am going to stab a burglar, don't let him leave or call the cops, just finish the job and dump the body, who wants to deal with the police...but at the end of the day, there is a lot to still be determined...as usual the media only have their angle...too much info is missing...

 

[REDBALLS]

Pretty irrelevant comparison, other than just to complain about cops.

Besides, what the frack are the cops supposed to do? They arrive at the scene of a shooting and encounter a man with gun who doesn't drop it when told to. It's tragic either way, especially if the witnesses were accurate. But the cops responded the way that they are trained to. I suppose you have an alternative tactical suggestion to make?

Or if you want to tie it back it with the original topic: if you encounter an intruder in your home with a firearm, feel free to shoot him first. I don't think you're gonna get dinged for that one.

Water cannon, Sound cannon, Riot gun, Taser, Rubber buckshot, Pepperball rounds, Gas grenades....
The victim likely did not hear police request to drop the weapon, because of the sound of Caribana float music, people screaming in panic, or from having the firearm discharged near his ear's without proper hearing protection. Speaking from experience the last time I had a 40 cal handgun discharged 3 feet from my head with out hearing protection, my ear's rang for a couple minutes after the fact. The sound resembled a huge garbage bin, hitting the floor.

You could likely get charged with improper storage of a fire arm. If you couldn't answer the cop's question correctly on how did you get your fire arm lock box opened, trigger locked removed, and the firearm loaded so quickly.
Dependant on where you shoot the intruder could also open up a can of worm's. If you shoot the intruder in back as he/she turn's around to flee out the back door the cop's may question if there still was a perceived threat. If the intruder turn's around and make's it out of your house as he is fleeing and you shoot him in your back yard or front lawn; cop's again will question you on the perceived threat and charge's may be filed dependant on how you answer.
If you have a weapon's ban imposed by the court's, you could be found in violation of your probation/ parole and be sent back to jail to finish your original imposed sentence.

 

[Baggsy]

Say your wife was fooling around. You walk. Get an apartment. Go back a few weeks later to get your stuff. Get stabbed by your wife's boyfriend. They say you broke in. The Sun gets a hold of the story and puts their spin on it. I'm not saying that this has anything to do with the real story, just that we haven't heard the full one and should never expect to from those types of newspaper articles.

 

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Water cannon, Sound cannon, Riot gun, Taser, Rubber buckshot, Pepperball rounds, Gas grenades....
The victim likely did not hear police request to drop the weapon, because of the sound of Caribana float music, people screaming in panic, or from having the firearm discharged near his ear's without proper hearing protection. Speaking from experience the last time I had a 40 cal handgun discharged 3 feet from my head with out hearing protection, my ear's rang for a couple minutes after the fact. The sound resembled a huge garbage bin, hitting the floor.

All of which are tools that aren't exactly carried by your average front line officers (including tasers, which are carried by Sgts & above).

But I'm swaying off topic here...

 

[Venom01]

Yeah, we all know a sane person would walk in and go "ha ha ha, busted buddy. Leave and don't come back now you little scamp."

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[D23]

By law, if you find a guy hiding in your apartment you aren't allowed to stab him. If he attacks you then it's fair game. Y'all are going by what you read so I'll do the same....

Now you know.

If the guy poses no threat ask him to leave and make sure he doesn't slip and fall on his way out. (You don't want to be sued after all.) Maybe offer him a drink before he goes to calm his nerves. Apologize for scaring him and offer him a ride home. Remember to friend him on facebook and also add him to your Christmas card list. We are Canadian after all....

Or, kill him, cut the head and hands off the body, dissolve them in your bathtub in undiluted hydrochloric acid and dump the body far away.

Either way don't call the police if any harm comes his way.

Also, if you do own a gun for home protection use combination locks on everything. It makes it that much easier to prove you could in fact get your gun out of it's case, out of it's trigger lock and loaded from a separate ammo container in short order. A loaded magazine in an ammo box is still secured and separate from your firearm.

Three digit combo locks one number off from open are still considered locked.

 

[REDBALLS]

All of which are tools that aren't exactly carried by your average front line officers (including tasers, which are carried by Sgts & above).

But I'm swaying off topic here...

All these tools were readily available and some were used for Toronto's G20, but for some reason at the Caribana festival officer's were provided with guns? The G20 and Caribana both have a similar amount of people attending the event. Past G20 meeting's and Caribana weekend's both have a history of violence.

 

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All these tools were readily available and some were used for Toronto's G20, but for some reason the Caribana festival only provided officer's with guns? The G20 and Caribana both have a similar amount of people attending the event. Past G20 meeting's and Caribana weekend's both have a history of violence.

The funding for police and security for the G20 was unprecedented and is unlikely to be seen any time in the future. Massive federal funding for a summit meeting did not permanently provide Toronto Police with the ability to equip their front line officers with fancy gadgets, nor are they likely to see any with their budget possibly on the chopping block. Not to mention, could you imagine the PR if the police were to roll into Caribana (or any city event) with water cannons and smoke grenades?? Also, how are these tools effectively used when responding to a shooting in a large crowd?

 

[Fiery254]

http://protectyourself.cc/salford-b...ce-nazir-afzal-cps-johnleonard-bennell-death/

 

[niagara_ridder]

I want to know if this guy was stabbed in the front or the back.

If he was stabbed in a legit struggle no problem with it. If the burglar was going for a window and got stabbed in the back I can understand the charges.

 

[turbodish]

http://protectyourself.cc/salford-b...ce-nazir-afzal-cps-johnleonard-bennell-death/

Resident was attacked by an intruder armed with a machete. Resident responding with lethal force would certainly be reasonable.

However, read the editor's notes. They point out the known flip side of permitting residents unfettered license to resort to deadly force even in absence of any clear threat to life and limb.

Editors Comments:For more information on the origional incident see our previous article.

This story is one that should be carefully looked at both by the government and members of the general public. The law has always stated a man (or woman) can use resonable force to protect themselves, and this is only right. An Englishmans home is his castle, and those looking to break into houses should know that they are risking death.

There is also the issue of the hundreds of people killed each year, where the defence of the accused is self defence, and it is a very hard thing to disprove.

Many recent cases have highlighted the abuse of this law, where known drug dealers have killed their rivals in their homes and been aquitted due to the defending your property/resonable force law.

It is believed that many people are killed in this way each year, sometimes when at a party on private land or in a house, and the defence of they attacked me so I defended can be quite a strong defence. Perhaps is a reason why you should be very careful when in someone elses house, and if there is trouble, leave the property, do not risk becoming a victim.

In this case the actions appear justified, other cases maybe not so.

 

[Flashmonkey]

This:

It should be! I don't know if you're there for my stuff or my life (or the life of my family), and I'm not interested in finding out!

and this:

we need to get a good castle law here in canada. something like the one in florida would be nice.

Too many details with regards to when lethal force should be applied to a person who has already committed a crime. Either decriminalize breaking and entering or give us a goddamn castle law.

If someone breaks into my home, I'll be too busy trying to murder them to be wondering about my legal position.

 

[zooropa_chris]

If he had just killed the guy, chopped him up in little pieces and flushed him down the toilet then he wouldn't have any problems.

 

[slowbird]

We need more caveman thinking and less metrosexual pussified let's negotiate all time thinking.

Ya because it's normal for some dickwad to be in your house uninvited. Personally I would have beat the dude to within in an inch of his life.

Two good examples of tough-guy, un-educated, un-evolved thinking.

I recently came across a Break and Enter case where the homeowner chased the Culprit out of the house and caught him...then held him down till Police arrived.

^^ Take a clue. All out violence is rarely the remedy. You gotta be reasonable.

 

[turbodish]

^^ Take a clue. All out violence is rarely the remedy.

Nor is it needed to safeguard you and your family in most cases. In most cases an intruder is looking for easy cash, or portable goods easily convertable into cash. Rarely are they there for a fight or even prepared and armed for one. If caught, the first thing on their mind is to get out of there fast.

If anything, a homeowner escalating a situation to violence does nothing but force the intruder to escalate to greater violence in response.

You know what they say about someone backed into a corner. Best response is often to clear a path and allow the intruder to get out of your house. That immediately eliminates any threat to your and your family.

 

[zooropa_chris]

Very true. I'm guessing the best thing would be to tell him to take anything he wants while you go call the police. It's probably a good idea to stay on his good side, so maybe offering some milk and cookies would be a step in the right direction.

 

[Nyx13]

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[mmmnaked]

Nor is it needed to safeguard you and your family in most cases. In most cases an intruder is looking for easy cash, or portable goods easily convertable into cash. Rarely are they there for a fight or even prepared and armed for one. If caught, the first thing on their mind is to get out of there fast.

If anything, a homeowner escalating a situation to violence does nothing but force the intruder to escalate to greater violence in response.

You know what they say about someone backed into a corner. Best response is often to clear a path and allow the intruder to get out of your house. That immediately eliminates any threat to your and your family.

If you're coming home to an intruder then yes, your post might apply. But if an intruder is breaking in while you're home, it's a completely different ballgame. The kind of criminal that breaks into a house while people are home is completely different than the kind that breaks into empty houses (during working hours, for instance). The kind that breaks in while you sleep is also generally the kind that will carry a weapon and not be afraid to use it... If you've broken into my house while Im asleep, all bets are off- Im gonna go by 'kill or be killed'.

 

[mmmnaked]

Water cannon, Sound cannon, Riot gun, Taser, Rubber buckshot, Pepperball rounds, Gas grenades....
The victim likely did not hear police request to drop the weapon, because of the sound of Caribana float music, people screaming in panic, or from having the firearm discharged near his ear's without proper hearing protection. Speaking from experience the last time I had a 40 cal handgun discharged 3 feet from my head with out hearing protection, my ear's rang for a couple minutes after the fact. The sound resembled a huge garbage bin, hitting the floor.

Im not one to generally stand up for cops, but if someone is running at you with a gun you don't reach for a taser or pepperball rounds. You reach for a gun and start putting shots at the perp's chest until he goes down.

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