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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%
  • Total voters
    111
GreyGhost said:
If a normal citizen left their loaded handgun in their car, they would be charged so fast they wouldn't know what happened. When a cop does it, they don't need to worry about that. Frig me. And we pay well over 100k a year for this moron.

barrie.ctvnews.ca

Suspects breaking into vehicles steal police-issued firearm from police car

Police in East Gwillimbury are looking for two suspects accused of breaking into an unmarked police vehicle and stealing several items, including a police-issued firearm.
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The officer responsible will likely just get an order for retraining. You are right that this sort of unsafe storage would result in serious consequences for a regular citizen.
 
Undercover/unmarked get to take the cars home?
 
GreyGhost said:
If a normal citizen left their loaded handgun in their car, they would be charged so fast they wouldn't know what happened. When a cop does it, they don't need to worry about that. Frig me. And we pay well over 100k a year for this moron.

barrie.ctvnews.ca

Suspects breaking into vehicles steal police-issued firearm from police car

Police in East Gwillimbury are looking for two suspects accused of breaking into an unmarked police vehicle and stealing several items, including a police-issued firearm.
barrie.ctvnews.ca barrie.ctvnews.ca
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Looking at how they were operating what are the chances the car was even locked

Sent from the future
 
Scuba Steve said:
Looking at how they were operating what are the chances the car was even locked

Sent from the future
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Indeed. It's rather interesting that the report stated they were breaking into cars, when they were jiggling handles and moving on. The obvious implication would be that either the car was unlocked, with a gun in it, or they actually saw something in the car that made it worth breaking into, like a gun.
 
Submit foi requests of proceedings in open court where police are found to behave badly and get back heavily redacted info often to the point of being useless even though you could view all information in the court documents if they hadn't redacted all information that allows you to find the relevant court doc.

 
GreyGhost said:
Submit foi requests of proceedings in open court where police are found to behave badly and get back heavily redacted info often to the point of being useless even though you could view all information in the court documents if they hadn't redacted all information that allows you to find the relevant court doc.

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GreyGhost said:
Submit foi requests of proceedings in open court where police are found to behave badly and get back heavily redacted info often to the point of being useless even though you could view all information in the court documents if they hadn't redacted all information that allows you to find the relevant court doc.

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Reminds me of when I tried to attend the trial of Dennis Mahoney-Bruer. I had people in media and a lawyer telling me when the trial was scheduled. I took time off work 3 times to attend the trial. Every time I got to the Brampton Criminal Courts it wasn't listed on the docket. It eventually took place in Guelph, if I remember correctly, and I never heard about the date being scheduled.
 
Two recent disinterested cop events that happened to friends lately.

In Hamilton, Tesla was parked and was the victim of a hit and run (right down the side of the car, hit pretty good). Cameras in the car recorded it and got a clear picture of the first four digits of the plate, of course you can see the model of the car, damage to the other car and to top it off a very clear video of the women looking at the damage before taking off. Cops said they don't have enough information to investigate! Doing some math.... first four digits means we are down to 1000 possibilities, cross reference to local area and model--my guess is single digits at that point. Then the damage to it and the picture of her....

More serious. 3AM home break-in (I would call it an invasion) when they were sleeping to get the car keys. House alarm went off and there was a confrontation. They waited 5 minutes on hold while in progress on 911 then waited for the TPS to eventually get there. Confrontation inside the home and the criminals then (casually without care) proceeded to the driveway to get the vehicle. The criminals also got their wallets (were near the keys) but did not get the vehicle (yet) as the keys they took were for the one in the garage not in the driveway. Kicker, cops arrive and were completely disinterested and basically said even if we catch them they are back on the street in the morning, told then to get motion lights.


Last one made me think of a couple of things... don't toss wallets/purse in the same place as keys (far too often I do this). Next, might be a good idea to get dummy vehicle keys if you have a target vehicle, basically a key for the brand but not for your car to be left in an obvious place so they grab and go, IF this happens.
 
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backmarkerducati said:
Two recent disinterested cop events that happened to friends lately.

In Hamilton, Tesla was parked and was the victim of a hit and run (right down the side of the car, hit pretty good). Cameras in the car recorded it and got a clear picture of the first four digits of the plate, of course you can see the model of the car, damage to the other car and to top it off a very clear video of the women looking at the damage before taking off. Cops said they don't have enough information to investigate! Doing some math.... first four digits means we are down to 1000 possibilities, cross reference to local area and model--my guess is single digits at that point. Then the damage to it and the picture of her....

More serious. 3AM home break-in (I would call it an invasion) when they were sleeping to get the car keys. House alarm went off and there was a confrontation. They waited 5 minutes on hold while in progress on 911 then waited for the TPS to eventually get there. Confrontation inside the home and the criminals then (casually without care) proceeded to the driveway to get the vehicle. The criminals also got their wallets (were near the keys) but did not get the vehicle (yet) as the keys they took were for the one in the garage not in the driveway. Kicker, cops arrive and were completely disinterested and basically said even if we catch them they are back on the street in the morning, told then to get motion lights.


Last one made me think of a couple of things... don't toss wallets/purse in the same place as keys (far too often I do this). Next, might be a good idea to get dummy vehicle keys if you have a target vehicle, basically a key for the brand but not for your car to be left in an obvious place so they grab and go, IF this happens.
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But whatever you do don't be a vigilante. Our justice system will protect you. The USA type shoplifting mobs are bringing the attitude here.

Will big box stores change to a Costco concept.

I.D. upon entry with cameras.

Huge line ups to slow exiting.

Jammed parking lot.

Or copy the gas stations, authorize $XXX upon entry and get full credit for unused balance on exiting.
 
nobbie48 said:
But whatever you do don't be a vigilante. Our justice system will protect you. The USA type shoplifting mobs are bringing the attitude here.

Will big box stores change to a Costco concept.

I.D. upon entry with cameras.

Huge line ups to slow exiting.

Jammed parking lot.

Or copy the gas stations, authorize $XXX upon entry and get full credit for unused balance on exiting.
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Seen just tonight, An older couple buying the organic bananas and peeling off the purple ID so when they checked out they would only pay for they cheaper ones.

Walking out the door seen another family being stopped and asked about the 2 handful of toys the kid was carrying out. the mother and grandmother just stood with a dumbass grin on the face
 
ToSlow said:
Seen just tonight, An older couple buying the organic bananas and peeling off the purple ID so when they checked out they would only pay for they cheaper ones.

Walking out the door seen another family being stopped and asked about the 2 handful of toys the kid was carrying out. the mother and grandmother just stood with a dumbass grin on the face
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Back in the day of cassettes seniors were the biggest crooks out there. One would buy a Lawrence Welk tape and some dollar store blanks and copy the original a dozen times as gifts to their friends. The friends would copy the copies for their friends.

My cousin was working as a cashier at a grocery store pre bar code days. A middle aged couple came through with a cart full of groceries and a sack of potatoes on the lower level of the cart.

As my cousin was punching in the prices the hubby asks his wife, in Polish, about mentioning the potatoes. The wife replies, again in Polish, that the cashiers are bunch of dummies and wouldn't notice so be quiet.

My cousin finished the ordered and gave them the price, thanking them for coming in and have a nice day. All in perfect Polish. She added, also in Polish, "I got the potatoes. We're trained to check" Blush.

My cousin was born here and spoke perfect English but was also fluent in Polish and Ukrainian.

My late brother and his wife were renovating and the local builders supply had a special on flooring that they liked but it was a limit per household and they needed more. My brother says to go in as separate households to double the take.

They go in and my brother tells the order desk guy that the lady is a neighbour he just ran into and she was thinking of using the same product. As he's discussing technicalities with the desk his "Neighbour" is snuggling up against him, rubbing his back and pinching his bottom. I think they got the second batch with an entertainment discount.
 
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DownUnder said:
I thought they vetted for "crazy" before hiring police officers.
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The "crazy" is stacked layers deep. Who hired her?

The cop isn't hard on the eyes if you go for the psycho look, nice smile, sharp teeth. Halloween date?

Anyone want to start a poll as to how long this takes to get to court?

If a civilian carrying a firearm unlawfully entered the private residence of a cop a swat team would be there in a heartbeat. Turn the tables and........crickets.

Points needing clarification for me.

The she-cop had the entry code so she didn't actually break in. It would in my mind be an unlawful entry but I don't know the effect of the latter charge.

If the cop's lawyer argues that it wasn't a break in, could that charge get dismissed as invalid?

Was the break and enter charge a deliberate effort to create a future escape clause?

Did the cop actually strike anyone or could it be argued down to a heated argument which isn't, IMO, illegal?
 
FullMotoJacket said:
Her saying "I am the cops" with her hand on her (holstered) gun would be considered a threat, implied or not.
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Threat but not assault. It would very interesting for a knowledgeable independent legal counsel to translate the detailed charges into layman's language and analyse the potential outcomes.

IMO her hand on her sidearm is a way of saying "I can shoot you but you can't shoot me." Threat big time.
 
nobbie48 said:
Back in the day of cassettes seniors were the biggest crooks out there. One would buy a Lawrence Welk tape and some dollar store blanks and copy the original a dozen times as gifts to their friends. The friends would copy the copies for their friends.

My cousin was working as a cashier at a grocery store pre bar code days. A middle aged couple came through with a cart full of groceries and a sack of potatoes on the lower level of the cart.

As my cousin was punching in the prices the hubby asks his wife, in Polish, about mentioning the potatoes. The wife replies, again in Polish, that the cashiers are bunch of dummies and wouldn't notice so be quiet.

My cousin finished the ordered and gave them the price, thanking them for coming in and have a nice day. All in perfect Polish. She added, also in Polish, "I got the potatoes. We're trained to check" Blush.

My cousin was born here and spoke perfect English but was also fluent in Polish and Ukrainian.

My late brother and his wife were renovating and the local builders supply had a special on flooring that they liked but it was a limit per household and they needed more. My bother says to go in as separate households to double the take.

They go in and my brother tells the order desk guy that the lady is a neighbour he just ran into and she was thinking of using the same product. As he's discussing technicalities with the desk his "Neighbour" is snuggling up against him, rubbing his back and pinching his bottom. I think they got the second batch with an entertainment discount.
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On more than one occasion I have spoken up to customer/cashier in front of me to the "innocent" senior or whoever else that just happened to forget the item on bottom row of the cart or left something under at the bottom of a stroller... "Don't forget that case of water" etc when they thought they were getting away with it.
 
nobbie48 said:
Threat but not assault. It would very interesting for a knowledgeable independent legal counsel to translate the detailed charges into layman's language and analyse the potential outcomes.

IMO her hand on her sidearm is a way of saying "I can shoot you but you can't shoot me." Threat big time.
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There's different thresholds when it's a person of authority. Kinda like Skippy when he was teaching in Vancouver and banging a 17 year old student of his. She was of legal age, but not to a person of authority like a teacher (18+ in that instance).
 
nobbie48 said:
Threat but not assault. It would very interesting for a knowledgeable independent legal counsel to translate the detailed charges into layman's language and analyse the potential outcomes.

IMO her hand on her sidearm is a way of saying "I can shoot you but you can't shoot me." Threat big time.
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Making a threat of violence, veiled or overt, is assault if you have the means to carry out that threat.

*EDIT* - I should amend that to read "if the victim has the good faith belief that you have the means and intent to carry out the threat", but that may unnecessarily be splitting hairs. Certainly having a crazed and armed cop in your home, who is unlawfully in your home won't leave, makes it reasonable to assume threat.
 
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