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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%

  • Total voters
    111
I enjoy those, and on the other side of the coin have been watching many first amendment audits. Guy filming a factory from a public road that has a sign posted saying "no filming" Cops come up and try to ID them and detain them for "Acting suspicious" Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? Really gets the cops aggravated, so much so that some lose their temper and the citizen gets a nice payday from the illegal arrest/tackle to the ground.
I occasionally watch the "Audit the Audit" Youtube channel because they do exactly that; analyze an audit of police and discuss the legalities involved. Be advised that there are actually locations in which you can be arrested for filming or taking pictures. They are typically military installations and infrastructure (dams, power plants, etc.).
 
Fairly certain you are required to present your license on demand at any traffic stop.

I get your point otherwise.
In Canada, yes. Police can stop you for no purpose other than to verify that you are, in fact, licensed to operate a vehicle. I have been stopped for this on several occasions. My "in or out of the vehicle" comment is with respect to the fact that police can stop you on the street and ask your identity, without it involving a traffic stop. Unless case law on this has recently changed, of course.
 
In Canada, yes. Police can stop you for no purpose other than to verify that you are, in fact, licensed to operate a vehicle. I have been stopped for this on several occasions. My "in or out of the vehicle" comment is with respect to the fact that police can stop you on the street and ask your identity, without it involving a traffic stop. Unless case law on this has recently changed, of course.
The carding thing got a huge legal smackdown a few years ago. In practice, random pedestrian stops seem to have ended. If they are investigating an actual crime and have a suspect description, they still grab pedestrians and ask for identity.
 
The carding thing got a huge legal smackdown a few years ago. In practice, random pedestrian stops seem to have ended. If they are investigating an actual crime and have a suspect description, they still grab pedestrians and ask for identity.
"Carding" got hit for the racial aspect involved. It was easily demonstrable that people of certain racial groups were stopped out of proportion with their percentage of the population. Without that aspect it's still possible.
 
"Carding" got hit for the racial aspect involved. It was easily demonstrable that people of certain racial groups were stopped out of proportion with their percentage of the population. Without that aspect it's still possible.
Yes, but as the brass couldn't control the racial aspect, afaik, TPS said no more entirely. If they were forbidden from stopping visible minorities and only stopped non-visible minorities (eg white people in scarboro), they would get dragged back to court and lose again. Now, if someone calls in a robbery and the suspect is skin colour X and wearing black, cops will hit up all of those that they spot.
 
Yes, but as the brass couldn't control the racial aspect, afaik, TPS said no more entirely. If they were forbidden from stopping visible minorities and only stopped non-visible minorities (eg white people in scarboro), they would get dragged back to court and lose again. Now, if someone calls in a robbery and the suspect is skin colour X and wearing black, cops will hit up all of those that they spot.
Yes, but that's a policy issue and not one based in law, if you get my meaning.
 
In Canada, yes. Police can stop you for no purpose other than to verify that you are, in fact, licensed to operate a vehicle. I have been stopped for this on several occasions. My "in or out of the vehicle" comment is with respect to the fact that police can stop you on the street and ask your identity, without it involving a traffic stop. Unless case law on this has recently changed, of course.

They can ask.. but you don't have to identify yourself... unless they are investigating a crime.
 
They can ask.. but you don't have to identify yourself... unless they are investigating a crime.
Pretty sure even if they are investigating you aren’t obligated to provide that info. Maybe if detained.
 
Pretty sure even if they are investigating you aren’t obligated to provide that info. Maybe if detained.
Aren't the police allowed to lie? "We're investigating a break in around the corner."

As far as answering questions it would depend on the direction they were going. If they appear to be eliminating me it's all good. If they're fishing for a fall guy not so much. Fortunately for me I'm not black and don't often wear a hoodie.
 
Aren't the police allowed to lie? "We're investigating a break in around the corner."

As far as answering questions it would depend on the direction they were going. If they appear to be eliminating me it's all good. If they're fishing for a fall guy not so much. Fortunately for me I'm not black and don't often wear a hoodie.
How would you know since they are allowed to lie
 
If they have to reason to demand you to id yourself.. they also have reason to detain you.
They can (and do) demand any time they wish, whether you have to comply is what matters.

Based on 2 minutes of GoogleFoo, you are required to ID while under detention.
 
How would you know since they are allowed to lie
That's a big part of the problem. If you are a potential witness they need to know how to get a hold of you. If there is a possibility of you being charged the less said the better.

Imagine recording a crash and turning over your SD card for evidence. They could theoretically go over the whole card and ticket you for all your running stops. I don't trust any organization that complies with HTA-172.
 
That's a big part of the problem. If you are a potential witness they need to know how to get a hold of you. If there is a possibility of you being charged the less said the better.

Imagine recording a crash and turning over your SD card for evidence. They could theoretically go over the whole card and ticket you for all your running stops. I don't trust any organization that complies with HTA-172.
Hmmmm I've always wondered if this was somewhat of a grey area. They would need a warrant to actually view the evidence (assuming you didn't just turn it over willingly), does scope of said warrant include before and after footage of said event?

There's a video on YT I watched not too long ago where the Police were serving a warrant to a Sheriff under corruption investigation. They had a warrant to search his person and recover his cell phones. As soon as they handed him the warrant he handed them to his under Sheriff and as the warrant was only for 'his person' they were not able to take them from the under Sheriff. So the Chief came by and threatened to lock down the building and detain everyone while they got a new warrant signed and they eventually coughed them up.
 
They would need a warrant to actually view the evidence
And the warrant would describe what they're looking for and why, anything else they find would be excluded.

... and I am under the belief that traffic tickets, traffic tickets being "absolute liability", having a video of you breaking traffic laws is not enough to get a conviction, as you could argue the ticket on grounds of service. Videos can be used as evidence of criminal offenses, not traffic offenses (YES you can get a automated traffic ticket, but they changed that specific law specifically for that, and the ticket doesn't get applied to insurance because they can't prove who was driving, they have PRE ARGUED "service" for you).
 
As for ID, unless I was up to no good I think it is one of those items where "being right" may end up going wrong for you. I would show them my ID and get one with my life.... even if I do not have to.

To be fair though, I am not in any visible minority group (other than being super good looking...). I can see why other people may not want to be as cooperative.
 
Hmmmm I've always wondered if this was somewhat of a grey area. They would need a warrant to actually view the evidence (assuming you didn't just turn it over willingly), does scope of said warrant include before and after footage of said event?

There's a video on YT I watched not too long ago where the Police were serving a warrant to a Sheriff under corruption investigation. They had a warrant to search his person and recover his cell phones. As soon as they handed him the warrant he handed them to his under Sheriff and as the warrant was only for 'his person' they were not able to take them from the under Sheriff. So the Chief came by and threatened to lock down the building and detain everyone while they got a new warrant signed and they eventually coughed them up.
I think that happened last year. Trying to remember the case. Something about corruption and one police force (county?) raiding the headquarters of another police force (city?).

*EDIT* - Got it.

 
In a timely article, a class-action lawsuit has been launched related to historic abuse of carding by TPS.

 
Hmmmm I've always wondered if this was somewhat of a grey area. They would need a warrant to actually view the evidence (assuming you didn't just turn it over willingly), does scope of said warrant include before and after footage of said event?

There's a video on YT I watched not too long ago where the Police were serving a warrant to a Sheriff under corruption investigation. They had a warrant to search his person and recover his cell phones. As soon as they handed him the warrant he handed them to his under Sheriff and as the warrant was only for 'his person' they were not able to take them from the under Sheriff. So the Chief came by and threatened to lock down the building and detain everyone while they got a new warrant signed and they eventually coughed them up.
I thought the police could seize to prevent destruction but not view without a warrant. We get so much cross border law quotes that may not be correct.

Can an officer view and act on issues not related to the original violation?

How would that differ from a firearm report and while searching for the gun cocaine is found.
 

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