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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%

  • Total voters
    111
Some years ago... I used to run from the police. I can't remember how many times... but I'd guess 50-75 times. We would run for little to no reason.. just to avoid tickets or the hassle of being pulled over.
It was a little unnerving the first couple times.. but then.. it was easy.
I will say this... anyone that thinks they won't knock you off for bike.. is kidding themselves. I promise you.. you get the right cops .. in the right situation.. and they will try hard!!
When my brother was a M/C cop in the early 1970's he pulled over a bike and as he walked towards it the guy ran.

A chase ensued and only stopped when my brother pulled alongside the other rider and gestured he was going to kick him off the bike.

The reason for running? He forgot to carry the ownership.
 
Sadly it is not just a bad policing problem but likely a cultural problem in general.

Spend time on many US focused forums (non firearm) and in their general forum lots of people in certain areas talk about always answering the door armed, and not holstered BTW (if there was a threat a holstered firearm is useless unless they are an amazing quick draw...). Hidden compartment gun shelf at the door to have the hand gun at the ready. I get there are bad areas, but this is not unique to bad areas.

Really, really bad on the police for getting the address wrong. Bad on them if this was a holstered firearm (unlikely but maybe) and his hands were up. Totally expected results if he answered the door with the gun in his hand. What is common in the fog of these situations is one cop panic fires first, others hear the shots, don't know who is firing so they fire.... The video will have the answers as the above is based on assumptions of course.

Personally if I get a late night banging at the door I look out the window to see wtf before answering the door... Bunch of armed guys in my front yard, what good will one hand gun do? Cops and cars and lights what good is a hand gun going to do? But we live in a different culture. Maybe they don't have windows in the US....
 
Some years ago... I used to run from the police. I can't remember how many times... but I'd guess 50-75 times. We would run for little to no reason.. just to avoid tickets or the hassle of being pulled over.
It was a little unnerving the first couple times.. but then.. it was easy.
I will say this... anyone that thinks they won't knock you off for bike.. is kidding themselves. I promise you.. you get the right cops .. in the right situation.. and they will try hard!!
In my youth we used the 20 second rule. At the time you had 20 seconds to show the cop they are not going to catch you, if they are still chasing you after 20 seconds pull over. Of course this was long pre 172 and modern tech.

Logic:
-For moving violations they do not make the call on the radio immediately for practical reasons
-They have an ego and if you are losing them right away they won't call it in and they will give up since they do not want to get the gears when you get away.
-They won't have the plate yet.
-Catching up to you after 20 seconds, they got the plate and made the call on the radio.
-Once the call is made see the second point above, they will try hard.
-Can't outrun the radio
-When you pull over you just say, sorry I did not see you.... and plead...

Of course this only worked when they were starting from a standstill or were originally going in the opposite directions. Ironically the above was based on "advice" from a traffic cop we knew.

Eventual adulting put an end to doing this and more importantly the need to do it!
 
Sadly it is not just a bad policing problem but likely a cultural problem in general.

Spend time on many US focused forums (non firearm) and in their general forum lots of people in certain areas talk about always answering the door armed, and not holstered BTW (if there was a threat a holstered firearm is useless unless they are an amazing quick draw...). Hidden compartment gun shelf at the door to have the hand gun at the ready. I get there are bad areas, but this is not unique to bad areas.

Really, really bad on the police for getting the address wrong. Bad on them if this was a holstered firearm (unlikely but maybe) and his hands were up. Totally expected results if he answered the door with the gun in his hand. What is common in the fog of these situations is one cop panic fires first, others hear the shots, don't know who is firing so they fire.... The video will have the answers as the above is based on assumptions of course.

Personally if I get a late night banging at the door I look out the window to see wtf before answering the door... Bunch of armed guys in my front yard, what good will one hand gun do? Cops and cars and lights what good is a hand gun going to do? But we live in a different culture. Maybe they don't have windows in the US....

They released a portion of the body cams..
They realized they were at the wrong address just before, or as, the homeowner opened the door..
The gun certainly wasn't holstered...
They fired as they said drop the gun.. there was no time for the homeowner to comply...

 
They released a portion of the body cams..
They realized they were at the wrong address just before, or as, the homeowner opened the door..
The gun certainly wasn't holstered...
They fired as they said drop the gun.. there was no time for the homeowner to comply...
On the last one, that is the fog, one cop panics and shoots, others hear it and then also open up not knowing who is shooting. Also looks like he not only has the gun in hand but is pointing it at them.

Could have all been prevented by cops getting the right address, a cop not shooting first in panic or just trigger happy, the guy looking out a window and assessing the situation...
 
On the last one, that is the fog, one cop panics and shoots, others hear it and then also open up not knowing who is shooting. Also looks like he not only has the gun in hand but is pointing it at them.

Could have all been prevented by cops getting the right address, a cop not shooting first in panic or just trigger happy, the guy looking out a window and assessing the situation...
Yes, stills from the bodycam footage show the homeowner raising the gun in the direction of an officer, before they open fire. This sort of thing is very unlikely to happen in Canada simply because we don't have the completely moronic gun culture of the US. And before anyone comes down on me for that comment first realize that I hold both a firearms license and a restricted weapons license.
 
And before anyone comes down on me for that comment first realize that I hold both a firearms license and a restricted weapons license.
<insert old man yelling at cloud meme>
 
On the last one, that is the fog, one cop panics and shoots, others hear it and then also open up not knowing who is shooting. Also looks like he not only has the gun in hand but is pointing it at them.

Could have all been prevented by cops getting the right address, a cop not shooting first in panic or just trigger happy, the guy looking out a window and assessing the situation...

it could have been panic... or it you could have been the training.
There's a large training organization in the US that teaches cops to be "warrior cops".. that neighbourhoods are battlegrounds.. everyone is an enemy.. shoot first, think later.. type of mentality.
It was talked about a lot a few years ago.. some police forces are against it.. some departments stopped using it.. but then unions encourage it and some will pay for it themselves when departments won't.

 
Reminds me of this one... cops admiting they are f@%ked then realize there is a camera. The little swat robot is cool though.

 
it could have been panic... or it you could have been the training.
There's a large training organization in the US that teaches cops to be "warrior cops".. that neighbourhoods are battlegrounds.. everyone is an enemy.. shoot first, think later.. type of mentality.
It was talked about a lot a few years ago.. some police forces are against it.. some departments stopped using it.. but then unions encourage it and some will pay for it themselves when departments won't.

There's also preferential hiring of ex-military, in many departments.
 
Sadly it is not just a bad policing problem but likely a cultural problem in general.

Spend time on many US focused forums (non firearm) and in their general forum lots of people in certain areas talk about always answering the door armed, and not holstered BTW (if there was a threat a holstered firearm is useless unless they are an amazing quick draw...). Hidden compartment gun shelf at the door to have the hand gun at the ready. I get there are bad areas, but this is not unique to bad areas.

Really, really bad on the police for getting the address wrong. Bad on them if this was a holstered firearm (unlikely but maybe) and his hands were up. Totally expected results if he answered the door with the gun in his hand. What is common in the fog of these situations is one cop panic fires first, others hear the shots, don't know who is firing so they fire.... The video will have the answers as the above is based on assumptions of course.

Personally if I get a late night banging at the door I look out the window to see wtf before answering the door... Bunch of armed guys in my front yard, what good will one hand gun do? Cops and cars and lights what good is a hand gun going to do? But we live in a different culture. Maybe they don't have windows in the US....
Something similar happened in Windsor some time back but I'm not sure if the guy was killed. Police were at the wrong address and the guy came out with a weapon. Stay inside.

Malcolm Gladwell wrote of an incident in his book "Blink". Four New York City undercover police shot an unarmed immigrant numerous times and were exonerated.

The error was upper management failing to understand the optics of a crime fighting scenario.

The four officers in an unmarked car were cruising a troubled neighbourhood late at night when they saw the victim outside his tenement building. Not realizing he was just getting a breath of fresh air on a hot night they rushed him.

Not recognizing they were police he ran for the door and as he was reaching for his key an officer tripped and accidentally discharged his weapon. The other officers assumed they were being shot at and reacted with a hail of gunfire.

The police superiors failed to exercise foresight on ordering the clandestine operation and probably buried the facts under the rug.

What would you do if you were standing on your ghetto front porch at night, an unidentified car came to a sudden halt and four tough looking guys started running at you, yelling in a foreign language? What if you were deaf?

If the police had used a less intimidating approach the outcome could have been far different. The "Kick ass" approach designed by the superiors was the problem.

The New Mexico shoot up is American paranoia gone berserk. The police didn't invade the home with a no knock warrant. Go ahead arm yourself and yell "What do you want." Don't come out guns ablaze.

Firearm rule #1. Be sure of your target. These were uniformed police not pirates.

It isn't unheard of to be shot in the USA for knocking on the wrong door, especially if you aren't white.
 
It isn't unheard of to be shot in the USA for knocking on the wrong door, especially if you aren't white.
Like, for example, if you're a foreign exchange student who gets the wrong address, on Hallowe'en, in Texas.
 
Like, for example, if you're a foreign exchange student who gets the wrong address, on Hallowe'en, in Texas.

Or.. the father that shot and killed his two sons as they were sneaking back into the house..
Or.. the 17 year old girl that went to the front door of a home for help after being in a crash..
Or... the teen that ran to a neighbours to get help for his Mom in medical crisis.
We could go on forever.
 
It isn't unheard of to be shot in the USA for knocking on the wrong door, especially if you aren't white.
Or pulling into the wrong driveway out in the country and never exiting the vehicle at all.. I just read this this morning. So completely needless.

 
Or pulling into the wrong driveway out in the country and never exiting the vehicle at all.. I just read this this morning. So completely needless.

Or walking down a street in Texas being the wrong colour. Two dead and the shooter was given a stern talking to by police.
 
New Mexico wrong address bodycam.. This video shows the actual shooting.. no blurring.

 

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