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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%

  • Total voters
    111
As i recall in the states (some states?) firefighters also double as paramedics (or paramedics are assigned to fire stations?) and share facilities.
I think it’s the same thing here. Every firefighter in Ontario must be trained in emergency first aid and are close to paramedic level of knowledge.

They’re there to keep you alive until the ambulance arrives.
 
I think it’s the same thing here. Every firefighter in Ontario must be trained in emergency first aid and are close to paramedic level of knowledge.

They’re there to keep you alive until the ambulance arrives.
Not the same.

The paramedics there are under the fire department umbrella as i recall. and they can actually transfer from 'fire fighting duties' to being a paramedic.

"i work for the fire department...as a paramedic".

Here someone decided since there's far more fire stations then ambulance bays...fire fighters would more often then not arrive first..so they should get first aid training..as you've said.

I have seen this first hand (long story short);

wife and i were at Cloverdale mall having lunch (okok we're old i get it!!) and i noticed someone lying on the ground 30feet away with people standing around them, pointed it out to my wife who ran over and started CPR. Fire department arrived and the captain took one look at her and said "you know what you`re doing, are you a medical professional? (she's RRT) Good, how can we help."
 
Why does uniform colour matter? A person trained in medical intervention showed up quickly. Firefighters do far more medical aid/entry assistance/extraction than fire fighting. I think it is mainly a branding/PR issue. Rebrand them as rapid response vehicles and most arguments drop out (other than the legitimate "Is this service worth 30% of my property tax dollars"). It gets complicated if you want them to do patient transfer as that takes them out of the area for an extended period. Then you have the same problem as ambulances with extended response time and constantly shuffling vehicles between stations in an attempt to maintain coverage.

For some reason, ambulances are often county level and fire is city level. Not sure why. Simcoe county has 16 ambulance stations plus 7 satellite stations (not sure what that means, I suspect not normally manned but available for supplies?). Simcoe county is 4841 sq km so ~300 sq km per paramedic station (I didn't include satellite stations in that calc, with satellites included it would be 210 sq km/station). Barrie is 99 sq km, so each fire station covers ~20 sq km.

Would be be better served by a more integrated first response without a division between fire and ambulance? Probably. Will it happen? I can't see it. Public sector money plus multiple unions would be an epic battle.
There are weasels in the fire department that don't want to compete for a smaller group of management positions that would be the result of a joint operation.
 
Your call numbers seem incredibly low for markham fire. Barrie is less than half the population and far more calls.

Barrie has 5 stations. In 2021 (easier to find that report) 9514 calls. Most stations in barrie only have one truck. Bigger incidents draw from multiple stations. Spreading out the trucks (and staff) that could fit in one big station drops response time.

Barrie fire costs more per capita than Markham, -- $180/resident vs $125/resident. I think they report 'calls' differently;ly, it looks like Barrie counts calls made to the fire service, Markham reports outcalls they responded to.
 
Why does uniform colour matter? ...

Would be be better served by a more integrated first response without a division between fire and ambulance? Probably.
I have a toronto firefighter and a peel paramedic in the family. The level of knowledge is not even in the same ballpark. The firefighter has all the confidence in the world because he took a couple classes. The paramedic had to take other college courses before he could even get excepted into the paramedic program where he studied and practiced nothing but emergency medical care for a total of 4 years (1 emergency dispatch, 2 paramedic, 1 advanced care paramedic) He's qualified to push IV drugs that even ICU RN's aren't and he doesn't ever need to ask a doctor's permission. The firefighter is a step above first aid.

If I actually need medical attention I know who I want there.
 
I have a toronto firefighter and a peel paramedic in the family. The level of knowledge is not even in the same ballpark. The firefighter has all the confidence in the world because he took a couple classes. The paramedic had to take other college courses before he could even get excepted into the paramedic program where he studied and practiced nothing but emergency medical care for a total of 4 years (1 emergency dispatch, 2 paramedic, 1 advanced care paramedic) He's qualified to push IV drugs that even ICU RN's aren't and he doesn't ever need to ask a doctor's permission. The firefighter is a step above first aid.

If I actually need medical attention I know who I want there.
Agreed, but ACP's are even more spread out than normal paramedics. I would want one too but statistically, unless you are near death and there happens to be one in the area, you aren't going to get one.
 
I have a toronto firefighter and a peel paramedic in the family. The level of knowledge is not even in the same ballpark. The firefighter has all the confidence in the world because he took a couple classes. The paramedic had to take other college courses before he could even get excepted into the paramedic program where he studied and practiced nothing but emergency medical care for a total of 4 years (1 emergency dispatch, 2 paramedic, 1 advanced care paramedic) He's qualified to push IV drugs that even ICU RN's aren't and he doesn't ever need to ask a doctor's permission. The firefighter is a step above first aid.

If I actually need medical attention I know who I want there.
A Tim Horton's employee told me it took three months to be fully trained to pour coffee and make sandwiches.
 
A Tim Horton's employee told me it took three months to be fully trained to pour coffee and make sandwiches.
And just think. 6 of them back there still take longer to pour me a black no sugar than Starbucks.
 
Not sure how to post the link , reading this am about a Brockville OPP officer on suspended pay leave for 7 yrs now , made the sunshine list in 2021 .
We was suspended for drug trafficking, is now back in court for raping a passed out drunk and filming it “ to teach her a lesson about vulnerability of drunks” . So far they still can’t fire him .


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Not sure how to post the link , reading this am about a Brockville OPP officer on suspended pay leave for 7 yrs now , made the sunshine list in 2021 .
We was suspended for drug trafficking, is now back in court for raping a passed out drunk and filming it “ to teach her a lesson about vulnerability of drunks” . So far they still can’t fire him .


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It was further up in this thread. He was convicted of drug trafficking but given a non-custodial sentence. PSA needs to change.
 
Who pays to stock it? I assume it's to show that one can drink responsibly. Unfortunately the second cop can't.
The union. Another shining example of why unions should be nuked. Your job is to supposed to be protecting employees not getting management hammered.
 
The union. Another shining example of why unions should be nuked. Your job is to supposed to be protecting employees not getting management hammered.
Correction: It's not the regular police union. It's the group that represents senior officers. That's separate from the regular union, as senior officers are effectively "management."
 
Another loser from the police tribunal. He was drunk with open alcohol in a police vehicle and crashed and he got a one year demotion. F that nonsense. As a start, he should have to pay for the $100k vehicle he wrote off if he wants to be employed by the service in any capacity.


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Not sure about TPS but many municipal agencies self-insure and the cost of the replacement vehicle will be entirely on department. If Toronto is different, given the DUI conviction, insurance probably didn't pay. How do you crash a work vehicle while drunk and have substantially lower consequences than if you crashed your personal vehicle? Appalling.

He was also the head of the tribunal prior to this. If anyone should have been an example of expected behaviour it is him. This just engrains the invincibility no matter what criminal acts police commit. PSA needs to change.
 
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