Exactly right. You're far better off to get a used race bike that already has suspension upgrades, since that's all you really need. A steering damper is nice, but suspension is the first thing anybody should do, and nobody ever does.
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Kitchener/Waterloo area, c u next trackday riders thread!
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Exactly right. You're far better off to get a used race bike that already has suspension upgrades, since that's all you really need. A steering damper is nice, but suspension is the first thing anybody should do, and nobody ever does.
gs500f
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The r6 or the r1 lol
On second look, that R6 says "suspension tuned by..." doesn't say anything about aftermarket. You don't want stock suspension at the track, period. Especially the fork springs. You're a big enough guy that once you hit some decent lean angles you'll be bottoming the forks on bumps and you will lose the front and low side. Newer bikes like Randy's CBR1K seem to be better for spring weight but for sure that old R6 will be too soft.
Does your SV have stock suspension? It's going to have a fairly tame limit too if it does.
Does your SV have stock suspension? It's going to have a fairly tame limit too if it does.
I wouldn't base my decision soley on this, springs are about $100 front a little more for the rear, but full suspension is pricey if it doesn't have one. Aftermarket suspension is definately a plus. I'd consider something that's already a track bike, they tend to have lower overall value than streetable bikes, and more goodies. Goodies get expensive fast, ask Dave. You'll take a chance on how rung out its been, but at your current skill + near future level I think it would be the best value.
FWIW, I went from a very low HP 03 ninja 500 (original engine design was 1989) to an 08 CBR 1k. You definitely have to be more careful with the throttle, you can't just go wide open. For the tracks around here I'd buy a 600, tires are cheaper, they turn faster. You don't get the thrill of a 180 kph wheelie like you do on a 1000, but you will save a bit of money in the end. Mine does double duty, the 1k is nice is thrilling, but for track only I'd go 600 from a cost point of view, although ergonomics may be challenging, i know i struggle with it even with the 1k.
FWIW, I went from a very low HP 03 ninja 500 (original engine design was 1989) to an 08 CBR 1k. You definitely have to be more careful with the throttle, you can't just go wide open. For the tracks around here I'd buy a 600, tires are cheaper, they turn faster. You don't get the thrill of a 180 kph wheelie like you do on a 1000, but you will save a bit of money in the end. Mine does double duty, the 1k is nice is thrilling, but for track only I'd go 600 from a cost point of view, although ergonomics may be challenging, i know i struggle with it even with the 1k.
Machine
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Yea - the R6 would be sweet on the track. A 600 is a perfect place to start - and like Randy said, you'll save on tires. I wouldn't worry too much about the stock suspension either. Mine is still stock, and I had it professionally set-up at the track in shannonville. I though it was pretty good before, but now its much better... and yes, you could then upgrade with some aftermarket goodies later. Get the bike first, then you'll naturally want to start adding things. Like slicks/warmers/generators/trailers/nitrous/pit girls, etc. Then you just tell the wife that a track day costs just $100.
Yeah, this is true. I guess when I think suspension I'm always thinking valving too. In a lot of cases changing the springs (for Dan on the R6 it would be a big change, stock is 0.76kg/mm and he would likely need 1.0kg/mm) the change is so large that the rebound circuit becomes inadequate. Quickly you get closer to $300, but still not too bad. Rear is a lot more.
I was going to ask you about that... how is that working so far with Jenna? LOL
Machine
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Works perfectly. She's happy as long as it dosen't come out of her lulu lemon budget... and what she doesn't know, makes for a happy marrige.
Excellent 
And lulu lemon does wonderful things for the world, and lots of girls at the track wear lulu lemon, so the balance and symmetry keeps the zen in check.
I want to add that a HUGE advantage of aftermarket rear shocks is ride height adjustment. Typical race bikes will have the back end raised which does several things; improves ground clearance at the foot pegs and exhaust pipe (Dean, take notes. haha), improves turn-in and reduces rear end squat under acceleration.
And lulu lemon does wonderful things for the world, and lots of girls at the track wear lulu lemon, so the balance and symmetry keeps the zen in check.I want to add that a HUGE advantage of aftermarket rear shocks is ride height adjustment. Typical race bikes will have the back end raised which does several things; improves ground clearance at the foot pegs and exhaust pipe (Dean, take notes. haha), improves turn-in and reduces rear end squat under acceleration.
The CBR's are 1.04 kg/mm stock, a fair bit heavier. The rear is spot on for my weight, which was incidently setup for a 160 lb guy on CSBK. Amazing how stiff of suspension they use
1.04! Wow. That's really surprising considering what they used only a few short years ago.
Machine
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Excellent
I want to add that a HUGE advantage of aftermarket rear shocks is ride height adjustment. Typical race bikes will have the back end raised which does several things; improves ground clearance at the foot pegs and exhaust pipe (Dean, take notes. haha), improves turn-in and reduces rear end squat under acceleration.
Haha - point noted. I think some of the issue was from those DG rear-sets. ;P
And speaking of rear end squat under acceleration - I knew a girl like that once.... kept bottoming out.
Hey Dan - did you see this one? Nice price, and lots of goodies.. http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?155744-FS-1999-Honda-CBR-F4-Track-Race-bike
09SV650S
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Excellent
I want to add that a HUGE advantage of aftermarket rear shocks is ride height adjustment. Typical race bikes will have the back end raised which does several things; improves ground clearance at the foot pegs and exhaust pipe (Dean, take notes. haha), improves turn-in and reduces rear end squat under acceleration.
This just proves I need an aftermarket rear just for my fat ***
Sent from my iPhone. (not while I was riding)
Machine
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This just proves I need an aftermarket rear just for my fat *****
Sent from my iPhone. (not while I was riding)
Hey Jer, - when are you going to join us at the track?
Yeah, they're too good, more than you can handle! haha...
Oh dear, very nice. haha...
I saw that F4 and thought it looked pretty decent too. It might be too slow though if Dan thinks the SV650 is too slow.
My old F4 was a fun, reliable track bike. I didn't see aftermarket stator cover in the parts list. If NRC still makes one they're really strong. You would want one for sure because if you crash it there's a good possibility you'll bust the stock cover.
09SV650S
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mmmm I'd love tooo! it was going to be very soon but I'm actually looking at having to sell the condo to get a place with a garage just to keep the street bike. so my savings looks like they may be used towards all the fee's and crap that comes with a move
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mmmm I'd love tooo! it was going to be very soon but I'm actually looking at having to sell the condo to get a place with a garage just to keep the street bike. so my savings looks like they may be used towards all the fee's and crap that comes with a move
Can you say, Racer5 ?????
If Dean still has his extra Teknic 2 piece suit, it may fit you...
gs500f
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http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-cars-v...saki-Ninja-zx6r-track-bike-W0QQAdIdZ367303745
Pick it up on the way back from mosport maybe
Pick it up on the way back from mosport maybe
gs500f
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Or...
http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-cars-v...rs-choppers-2003-r1-Yamaha-W0QQAdIdZ368624184
Just for you Dave lol
http://kitchener.kijiji.ca/c-cars-v...rs-choppers-2003-r1-Yamaha-W0QQAdIdZ368624184
Just for you Dave lol
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