It's time for a revolution, in the downtown core!

[87m6chris]

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Don't own one. Never have. Never will. My personal phone, which is also my home phone, doesn't even have so much as a camera.

Same here, only I turn mine on to make a call then turn it off again and that's how it stays most of the time. Peoples mouths drop open when I tell them that, "how can you live unconnected?"

 

[MadPoet]

If you mean the removal of designated smoking chambers, I don't particularly care if they exist or not. If a landowner is willing to pay for their existence so smokers can be boxed in there to smoke in atmospheric isolation, good. If he isn't willing to pay for it, instead desiring to use that land for other purposes, also good. Must there be a law mandating such a chamber outside every apartment building and public space? If so, who pays for this? What happens when they become overcrowded? What happens if the ventilation systems fail? This is all a band-aid solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist in the first place.

One would not reasonably expect people to put on ear plugs to avoid loud neighbors' excessive music, and thus one shouldn't expect the non-smoker to make exceptions to his life to accommodate smokers. No, it should be the onus of the problem causer to accommodate the victim of his actions rather than vice-versa, by the very definition of being considerate which is rather the whole point of law in the first place.

How about the simple idea based on the concept of affecting others with your actions: If the activity of smoking bothers someone due to second- or third-hand odors, then that activity should be prohibited, just like making loud noises (disturbing the peace), etc. All within reason, of course. Now if someone could only come up with one good reason to smoke, I'd turn my attention to the sky for flying pigs.

Bars and coffee shops owners spent tens of thousands of dollars to make those smoking sections just months before the full ban took effect wasting all of their efforts and money. That decision was senseless and stupid and all it accomplished is bullying those who smoke and those who welcome them in their establishments.

You continue to look at the issue as black and white, aggressor and victim. Dismissing all the efforts of sociologists and psychologists who dedicated their lives to study social illnesses such as addiction and substance abuse is far from being intellectual. You can't be that naive to think that the only victims here are the non smokers. Smokers too are victims of Big Tobacco who are licensed to ruin people's lives with impunity. The politicians who allow the manufacture and tax the product to have money for things such as education, health and infrastructure spending. (i.e. if you went to school then you owe a smoker, sad but true) Smoking in particular continues to affect more poor than rich (now you likely owe a poor smoker). The fact that the price more than doubled and ads are outlawed and yet there are still addicts who will seek such product tells us that it is not about choice, or will or a good reason. It is simply substance abuse. Your failure to recognize that fundamental portion of the equation will almost certainly leave you in a bubble, anyhow, I wish you the best in your bubble and hope no smoker bursts it passing by.


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[MadPoet]

Same here, only I turn mine on to make a call then turn it off again and that's how it stays most of the time. Peoples mouths drop open when I tell them that, "how can you live unconnected?"

I am trying to do just that, To get rid of dependency on the newest and coolest, isn't it much calmer this way?


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[oilycreek]

I'm bloody tired of people who blindly walk around while staring down into their cell phones, expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Join me in NOT moving over for them. Just hold your line and let them bounce off you. If it makes them drop their phones, then even better!

Bloody jackasses.

Today I was driving through a green light, when some dumb broad was walking and texting, and she walked through the red, right in front of me,I nearly killed her, so I honk my born, she jumped and gave me a wtf looked.


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[Vlad]

Not revolution, evolution.

 

[rmemedic]

FYI, the tobacco you're smoking is most likely from offshore. Where I grew up was 95% of the tobacco farms in Canada. Now, in the last decade we went from almost everyone farming it, to almost nobody farming it. Those that still do were the bigger farms.
If I remember correctly, most of the tobacco that's now smoked is from south America, lots cheaper to buy it from there.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Today I was driving through a green light, when some dumb broad was walking and texting, and she walked through the red, right in front of me,I nearly killed her, so I honk my born, she jumped and gave me a wtf looked.


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Check my Jackassery IV video. In the clip with the folks on the electric scooters, going down the middle of the road, you'll see two guys walking into the street in front of me, while looking down at their phones. It's a daily occurrence, when I drive to work.

 

[viper84737]

Bars and coffee shops owners spent tens of thousands of dollars to make those smoking sections just months before the full ban took effect wasting all of their efforts and money. That decision was senseless and stupid and all it accomplished is bullying those who smoke and those who welcome them in their establishments.

You continue to look at the issue as black and white, aggressor and victim. Dismissing all the efforts of sociologists and psychologists who dedicated their lives to study social illnesses such as addiction and substance abuse is far from being intellectual. You can't be that naive to think that the only victims here are the non smokers. Smokers too are victims of Big Tobacco who are licensed to ruin people's lives with impunity. The politicians who allow the manufacture and tax the product to have money for things such as education, health and infrastructure spending. (i.e. if you went to school then you owe a smoker, sad but true) Smoking in particular continues to affect more poor than rich (now you likely owe a poor smoker). The fact that the price more than doubled and ads are outlawed and yet there are still addicts who will seek such product tells us that it is not about choice, or will or a good reason. It is simply substance abuse. Your failure to recognize that fundamental portion of the equation will almost certainly leave you in a bubble, anyhow, I wish you the best in your bubble and hope no smoker bursts it passing by.

Oh I very much do recognize that it's substance abuse. I just don't give a turd about the causality of it or assigning blame for the reasons behind why smokers want to justify continuing to inflict their plight unto others.
That (or why) they are addicted isn't my problem, nor my concern. That their addictions are affecting me is.

If I went to school, I owe a smoker? Going by that line of thinking, I also owe single-celled amoebas for evolving into whatever other organisms they evolved into, that eventually evolved into us. If we sit here "owing" everyone who ever did anything before we existed, we'd be in so much debt it'd make the US' look like a trivial joke. This argument is wholly invalid and pointless. Smokers didn't put anyone through school or magically "benefit humanity" by paying higher taxes for their addictions. Nice try, though.

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