That's just endemic of the same sort of social withdrawal, that causes what I posted about.
It's time for a revolution, in the downtown core!
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That's just endemic of the same sort of social withdrawal, that causes what I posted about.
MadPoet
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You can smoke on the side walk which is within the 9 meter. I quit march 2011 but before that I tried not to smoke as close to the doors as possible but that's not always easy. I do know now how annoying that is however after inhaling enough exhaust fumes riding in rush hour I doubt that a whiff of second hand smoke going through the door will kill me.
Unless buildings start making designated smoking areas then this problem will not go away. It was easier when there were smoking sections in bars and coffee shops. People didn't stop smoking when that stupid ban took effect, they just took it out on the street affecting the rest of the population. I wish that the government bans the manufacturing of cigarettes but that's not going to happen so here we are.
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viper84737
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Smokers feel literally entitled to (that is, literally having the universe-given right to) being able to smoke anywhere, anytime they please. If their excretion of poison bothers you and you tell them to take their harmful business elsewhere, YOU'RE the a-hole? Suicidal inconsiderateness at its finest. Then they'll argue with you using some incredibly flawed list of reasoning this all makes sense in their minds. Seriously?
The revolution needed is that of the intellect, so we can move on from idiot-driven problems such as these, and many others, that currently plague humanity.
I like this idea, with a slight modification. Forward outstretched arms with palms towards chest. Oops, pardon me miss.
No, I do it all the time and I'm small. You just need a lot of tenacity
and maybe an elbow.
MadPoet
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I will have to disagree with you, just like everything and everyone else, generalizing would not be accurate. Some do have the I am entitled attitude and some don't.
I did my best to accommodate others when I used to smoke, such as if I was around non smokers or children or even my dog. The problem is much deeper than that, outlaw tobacco and shutdown half of the schools, or keep complaining about a whole bunch of addicts while demanding to milk that cash cow a bit more every few months by increasing taxes on the pack. Everyone has a role here, the addicts, you/me and the government, to put it squarely on the shoulders of one, would be counterproductive. Substance abuse is an issue, a very serious one that needs to be dealt with on more than one front, and to simply label it as idiot-driven problem seems a bit shallow.
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Why deal with it? We're already taxing the addicts 1000% and bullying them. It's even politically correct to bully a smoker. We can always tax them more and bully them even more (maybe forbid them from smoking in their own homes between the hours of 7pm and midnight) and then complain about them
Seriously, I am sooooo sick of little whinny bitches complaining about something that is NONE OF THEIR $%#@ing business! Boooohooo, smokers are evil incarnate, they kill puppies, and rape babies! STFU you little *****! This isn't even coming from a legit cmoker, just a guy who lights one up once in a blue moom when I'm loaded and I smoke a cigar here and there. Tabacco is taxed out the *** in this country and not only that, guess what? SMOKERS DIE YOUNGER! You know what that means? They collect less pension and probably actually SAVE the government money at the end of the day. And don't cry about that 0.00000000000000000000000001 cubic centremeter of ciagette smoke you inhale once a week cause you're withing 1000000000000000m of a smoker. It ain't gonna kill you! You're more likely to die of an *** beating from someone like me.
/rant
Phew, I feel better now.
/rant
Phew, I feel better now.
I remember being in NYC where the crowds were greater and I had no problems. People made eye contact, they negotiated and turned sideways, and though at times it seemed like we got closer, no one collided as far as I could see. I did see a lot more police on foot and those guys looked like they meant business. I don't know why Toronto is different other than to say that in NYC, most people, even the phone users, had their heads up.
Once tactic I use is too look for the holes. Just like riding a bike, I look for the clear and open path. I find sometimes that eye contact here in Toronto (unlike other cities) can be interpreted as a challenge or it can invoke fear. In either response, I find that people will freeze or choose to be aggressive. By looking for ways around the approaching person, I have avoided a lot of impacts. And it can be kind of fun.
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Seriously, I am sooooo sick of little whinny bitches complaining about something that is NONE OF THEIR $%#@ing business! Boooohooo, smokers are evil incarnate, they kill puppies, and rape babies! STFU you little *****! This isn't even coming from a legit cmoker, just a guy who lights one up once in a blue moom when I'm loaded and I smoke a cigar here and there. Tabacco is taxed out the *** in this country and not only that, guess what? SMOKERS DIE YOUNGER! You know what that means? They collect less pension and probably actually SAVE the government money at the end of the day. And don't cry about that 0.00000000000000000000000001 cubic centremeter of ciagette smoke you inhale once a week cause you're withing 1000000000000000m of a smoker. It ain't gonna kill you! You're more likely to die of an *** beating from someone like me.
/rant
Phew, I feel better now.
where do you hang out? let me know your location. i will consume a lot of baked beans and build up some gas in my system. if it's ok with you to force your smoke upon others (however the amount), then it's ok with me to force you to smell my ****. lol
or when you go pee, i will pee in the stall beside you. can i pee on your shoe?
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The difference here is that the cell phone zombies actively try to AVOID making eye contact, so that they don't have to get out of anyone's way. Sure, you can look for the holes, but should you have to slalom back and forth across the sidewalk because you're trying to get past 4 different cell phone users, who aren't following the same track? It's inconsiderate of them and bad manners shouldn't be tolerated. Population pressure either makes people polite, or oblivious, and which depends upon how the people around them react.
viper84737
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Seriously, I am sooooo sick of little whinny bitches complaining about something that is NONE OF THEIR $%#@ing business! Boooohooo, smokers are evil incarnate, they kill puppies, and rape babies! STFU you little *****! This isn't even coming from a legit cmoker, just a guy who lights one up once in a blue moom when I'm loaded and I smoke a cigar here and there. Tabacco is taxed out the *** in this country and not only that, guess what? SMOKERS DIE YOUNGER! You know what that means? They collect less pension and probably actually SAVE the government money at the end of the day. And don't cry about that 0.00000000000000000000000001 cubic centremeter of ciagette smoke you inhale once a week cause you're withing 1000000000000000m of a smoker. It ain't gonna kill you! You're more likely to die of an *** beating from someone like me.
/rant
Phew, I feel better now.
Regarding the smoker stuff. Let me clarify in a simple manner everyone including small children can understand easily:
Nobody, and I mean nobody gives a subatomic **** what you do to yourself at any time, or if you die sooner as a result of you doing so in your own little isolated bubble while not affecting others.
It's when you step outside that bubble and do what you do, and it affects others negatively, that the problem arises.
Now, when the mentality is taken that "oh it's just a small amount of smoke once in a while, stop complaining", it enables petty-minded thinkers to think they're not contributing to a larger problem that is a function of the sum of its smaller parts. If ONE guy smokes, and the exposure was as described, yes, it wouldn't be a problem worth thinking about. When half the population does so and you can't go anywhere without being inescapably exposed to it, there's a world of a difference.
Similar example 1, to aid in understanding: Smokers (or anyone else) wouldn't like it if someone dumped a giant mound of sulfur on the road beside their houses, and work places, and the malls they go to, etc. Sulfur smells awful and will ruin the enjoyment of life of people near it (generally speaking) and is far less toxic than the **** that comes out of a cigarette. If there is no law preventing sulfur from being dumped anywhere and this took place, those people would be up in arms about how their lives are being ruined by this sulfur. It's a symmetric situation with smokers affecting non-smokers.
Similar example 2, to aid in understanding: Nobody cares if you drink yourself silly (the selfish behavior). But when you drink and get behind the wheel of a car (behavior negatively affecting others), that's when the problem arises. Get it?
Is the pattern/symmetry clear? The fact that the behavior is selfish is entirely irrelevant. The fact that the selfish behavior is affecting others is the issue (inconsiderateness towards others due directly to the selfish behavior). I cannot be any more clear on the logic of this matter. If people still don't get it, they're idiots, and thus it cannot be anything other than an idiot-driven problem.
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Speaking as an outsider my observation is that Torontonians, and especially the people who wear a shirt and tie to work downtown, think they're the centre of the universe. They think they're all Donald Trump walking around full of their own self importance. |Maybe this is why they avoid eye contact. They're all too busy closing their next mega deal or talking about something else which is extremely important. I dunno. It's plain rude in my opinion. Avoid eye contact for sure if you want to. You're not obliged to be a socially polite animal. But this lack of respect for other pedestrians is simply rude. Thankfully my visits to downtown are extremely infrequent.
It has nothing to do with shirt and tie. The average citizen in our city is a retard. I see the behaviour explained here exhibited by all sorts of people. Sure, at King/Bay it's goign to be more people in shirt and ties doing it. Over at Spadina/King it's people in jeans and t-shirts that are oblivious, up at queen/bathurst it's fools in flip flops.
Oh, and don't fool yourself thinking that this is just a downtown problem. The same behaviour exhibited by these pedestrians is exhibited by the average driver as well, it just manifests itself as selfish driving. You know, the same type of selfish driving we see everywhere, including the suburbs.
MadPoet
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would you agree that banning indoor smoking in a closed and ventilated smoking sections (bubble) is counterproductive?
Had there been designated smoking areas beside each office building, would that have helped?
What would you/me/them do about this? Other than complain and ***** about it.
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Seriously, I am sooooo sick of little whinny bitches complaining about something that is NONE OF THEIR $%#@ing business! Boooohooo, smokers are evil incarnate, they kill puppies, and rape babies! STFU you little *****! This isn't even coming from a legit cmoker, just a guy who lights one up once in a blue moom when I'm loaded and I smoke a cigar here and there. Tabacco is taxed out the *** in this country and not only that, guess what? SMOKERS DIE YOUNGER! You know what that means? They collect less pension and probably actually SAVE the government money at the end of the day. And don't cry about that 0.00000000000000000000000001 cubic centremeter of ciagette smoke you inhale once a week cause you're withing 1000000000000000m of a smoker. It ain't gonna kill you! You're more likely to die of an *** beating from someone like me.
/rant
Phew, I feel better now.
I bet you were all flared out with ils when you typed this
viper84737
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If you mean the removal of designated smoking chambers, I don't particularly care if they exist or not. If a landowner is willing to pay for their existence so smokers can be boxed in there to smoke in atmospheric isolation, good. If he isn't willing to pay for it, instead desiring to use that land for other purposes, also good. Must there be a law mandating such a chamber outside every apartment building and public space? If so, who pays for this? What happens when they become overcrowded? What happens if the ventilation systems fail? This is all a band-aid solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist in the first place.
One would not reasonably expect people to put on ear plugs to avoid loud neighbors' excessive music, and thus one shouldn't expect the non-smoker to make exceptions to his life to accommodate smokers. No, it should be the onus of the problem causer to accommodate the victim of his actions rather than vice-versa, by the very definition of being considerate which is rather the whole point of law in the first place.
How about the simple idea based on the concept of affecting others with your actions: If the activity of smoking bothers someone due to second- or third-hand odors, then that activity should be prohibited, just like making loud noises (disturbing the peace), etc. All within reason, of course. Now if someone could only come up with one good reason to smoke, I'd turn my attention to the sky for flying pigs.
stevex
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Funny, it's usually the 40-60 crowd that I encounter (keep in mind, I don't spend much time downtown) that is ignorant, generally oblivious and all-around lacking in manners whether its in a shopping mall, grocery store, the road or sidewalk. Holding a door for someone, getting no thank you, having a woman block an entire aisle in the grocery store while she calmly squeezes every single piece of fruit on the pile (forcing me to say excuse me twice before i smash her cart out of the way and give her the death stare as she probably thinks to herself "damned younger generation", ignorant self-righteous left lane bandits that force you to pass on the right because they're doing 110 on the 401 and thats 10 km/h over the speed limit OMGz!!!! Probably all the while thinking "damn youngins speeding dangerously and recklessly on the highway"
People love to point the finger at the other side but really, every age demographic has its fair share of scum
its the dismal tide, not the one thing
stevex
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and a nicely timed pelvis thrust is the coup de grace
