Thats the one. Worth watching for a giggle. The responses of the cops are brilliant.
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It's FILTERING, NOT lane splitting!
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Thats the one. Worth watching for a giggle. The responses of the cops are brilliant.
Strikes me as being the usual "Freeman" crap. The same people would likely argue that the right to personal funds means the right to have the government give you money.
OpenGambit
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I stopped reading when he said that statutes don't override the common law...
+1 call it anything you want. In legal terms your still lane splitting and is 1 ) unsafe 2) illegal.
That's why whenever someone posts some of that 'Freeman' drivel in the Law & HTA forum, I chuck it straight into Romper Room.
From what I read in the first post it seemed that all he was asking was to use the term, and not actually go out and do either filtering or lane splitting.
An approaching vehicle is one travelling towards you, we are talking about filtering here are we not?
define: Approaching:
Come near or nearer to (someone or something) in distance: "the train approached the main line"; "she heard him approach".
Doesn't need to be travelling towards you, can be travelling with you or a fixed spot.
If you understood what "advocay" means you probably wouldn't have written than.
Since you don't seem to understand it's meaning, you probably shouldn't try to pass yourself off as being clever.
Not much more to add other than an anecdotal story.
Last weekend I was in my cage waiting in an 8 car line-up on an offramp to turn right. It's a notorious, bottle-necked shopping district so it takes a while to clear the area. A sportbike rider zipped up the right side of us and gets to the stop sign beside a pickup truck. I knew exactly what was going to happen. As people laid on their horns as he went by, the pick up driver accelerated from the stop light and refused to give space. The rider also accelerated by him and the truck drifted closer to the centre line as the rider was forced to pass into incoming traffic.
With those types of drivers out there that 30 seconds gained isn't worth it, at least to me.
Last weekend I was in my cage waiting in an 8 car line-up on an offramp to turn right. It's a notorious, bottle-necked shopping district so it takes a while to clear the area. A sportbike rider zipped up the right side of us and gets to the stop sign beside a pickup truck. I knew exactly what was going to happen. As people laid on their horns as he went by, the pick up driver accelerated from the stop light and refused to give space. The rider also accelerated by him and the truck drifted closer to the centre line as the rider was forced to pass into incoming traffic.
With those types of drivers out there that 30 seconds gained isn't worth it, at least to me.
so is the truck to yield to the motorcycle? or should the motorcycle hang back and stay where it's safe? what if there was a bicycle on the other side of the truck? by law the truck has to give space to the bicycle not to the motorcycle? does the truck have to hang back? what if there was an obstacle on the road? should the truck hit it?? What puts the motorcycle above all other drivers? i'd be upset too.
By law they both fall under the HTA 172 statutes pertaining to racing, and both can lose their vehicle for a week. If the truck lets the motorcycle go, then only the rider gets done for racing.
awyala
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Approaching the intersection.
awyala
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He probably isnt aware of the woman who just received the right to aided suicide. Nuances matter. Some people have none.
awyala
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Perhaps a firm dedicated to the defence of situationally legal filtering is a good direction for you, on a paid basis of course. We can put that 100% ticket streak to the test.
PS I am not suggesting Bunda broke under the cross, but it is in the cross that he revealed the finer detailsnof his action which made that particular, "situational" form of filtering illegal.
Had he had enough room to not require to wiggle past a car, and had every car in the stopped single lane queue been signaling left, then his situational filter would have been LEGAL. I am glad you have come to the position that filtering is not explicitly or universally illegal.
Some of us riders are prepared for the roadside debate and head ache, and even willing to discuss it with fellow riders to advocate and legally promote it. Unless you are paid for your services or assistance, we can count you out....got it; understood.
Thanks for you continued and constant cautious attitude...it gives us all experience in the counter argument.
And jurisprudence and precendence go both ways. Laws change. We can change them.
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Whats wrong with filtering?
Well there are the large number of people who seem to always run cold, dead red lights. Add to that the number of people who think that the fact an advanced green used to be showing in their direction, or who jump the green light in order to beat oncoming traffic (one of the things HTA 172 actually went to great pains in order to define), and you have a recipe for disaster.
They don't. The truck wasn't racing. He is where he's supposed to be....the motorcycle isn't.
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