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Increase Ontario 400-series Highway Speed Limit
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If speed limits were truly about safety then the government would require all new vehicles to be electronically limited to 100 and there would never be any speeders (at least not on the 400 highways) and nobody would ever get a ticket. The technology is cheap and has existed for decades so the only reason it's not required is because it's all about collecting money via the tickets...
Personally, I'd love a few autobahns in Ontario although I do agree additional training and tougher licensing is needed as well. My parents are from eastern Europe where the limit is 120 and I'm astonished when they tell me that they had THREE instructors in their car for their driving test watching their every move.
Personally, I'd love a few autobahns in Ontario although I do agree additional training and tougher licensing is needed as well. My parents are from eastern Europe where the limit is 120 and I'm astonished when they tell me that they had THREE instructors in their car for their driving test watching their every move.
If you're going to raise the speed limit to 130 km/h you have to consider not just yourself. So you'd prefer truckers going 130 km/h legally as well all those old folks. I haven't seen anywhere else in Canada where the speed limit is more than 110 km/h. Northern Ontario it's 90 km/h than you get into Manitoba/Saskatchewan at 100 km/h and Alberta/BC it's 110 km/h.
I used to want a higher speed limit until I moved out West. People are always in a hurry in GTA while people out West people are so mellow. Just relax, leave a little early. If everyone wasn't in such a hurry traffic flow would move much faster.
I used to want a higher speed limit until I moved out West. People are always in a hurry in GTA while people out West people are so mellow. Just relax, leave a little early. If everyone wasn't in such a hurry traffic flow would move much faster.
If other countries can handle it why can't we?
Manimillion
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I think we need better driver training standards before we start raising the speed limit.
What would be better to see is to get the police to start ticketing left lane hoggers.
What would be better to see is to get the police to start ticketing left lane hoggers.
I'd be all for a speed increase on 400 series highways but only in rural areas. I travel round trip between Mississauga/Cornwall every weekend, and there are sections of highway where I'm the only one within sight. I don't see going 130 anymore dangerous than 120 or 110 or 100...
For me, it would make the most sense for the limit to stay at 100 within city limits (all of GTA, belleville, Kingston, Brockville, Cornwall, etc.) and then rise to ~ 120km/h on the outskirts. This would keep merging the same as before, where the majority of cars are entering the highway.
It doesn't make any sense to have such a long stretch of road, with so many varying road/traffic conditions, the same limit throughout. Make it like the autobahn in the sense that various speed limits are used depending on the area you happen to be driving in.
For me, it would make the most sense for the limit to stay at 100 within city limits (all of GTA, belleville, Kingston, Brockville, Cornwall, etc.) and then rise to ~ 120km/h on the outskirts. This would keep merging the same as before, where the majority of cars are entering the highway.
It doesn't make any sense to have such a long stretch of road, with so many varying road/traffic conditions, the same limit throughout. Make it like the autobahn in the sense that various speed limits are used depending on the area you happen to be driving in.
you want a case and point?
bayview extension: from 70 to 60.
the cops have been out there since it switched almost every day i see them.
100% revenue generation...nothing to do with public safety.
I truly wish we had some power and could do something about this government. But it seems the affluent communities, like leaside. Only have to register a complaint and boom its done. No hearings, nothing. AHHHHHHHHH
this will never happen though, government is too money hungry. And broke.
Also there is a large population of drivers who cant even hit 100 on the 400 series...so good luck.
They should be the ones targeted for revenue generation, gov't would make a fortune.
bayview extension: from 70 to 60.
the cops have been out there since it switched almost every day i see them.
100% revenue generation...nothing to do with public safety.
I truly wish we had some power and could do something about this government. But it seems the affluent communities, like leaside. Only have to register a complaint and boom its done. No hearings, nothing. AHHHHHHHHH
this will never happen though, government is too money hungry. And broke.
Also there is a large population of drivers who cant even hit 100 on the 400 series...so good luck.
They should be the ones targeted for revenue generation, gov't would make a fortune.
Other countries have the good sense to make driver training mandatory or extremely strict testing guidelines. In Canada we just keep adding length to the process, but the issue still remains that most new drivers are being taught by people who don't know a single good thing about driving. This isn't how you improve the driving of citizens and upping the speed limit will only compound the issue.
This initiative will never take off because the first group of people to back it are people who just want to go faster for the sake of going faster. That is not a reason to increase a speed limit. If you could prove that IN CANADA it would actually be beneficial, then you gain traction. At this point it's a bunch of a people pointing to other places and saying "SEE! They do it!"
I am pretty slow, but the speed limit change would have no effect on any driver's habits. People simply assess the cost/benefit of speeding as with anything else in life, and the cost can be broken down into 3 things; The potential cost of a crash, the running costs (gas consumption), and the cost of a potential speeding fine.
Technically speeding fines are directly tied to the speed limit, but in reality cops don't ticket people doing less than 120 so the connection between the limit and fines is broken.
Unless the penalty structure is changed, there is no reason for fastar or slowar or anyone else to change their driving habits if the speed limit is changed to 120.
I agree with everything you said but that has nothing to do with truckers and old folks needing to drive slower. So again, if other countries can do it (including the enhanced driver training and licensing) then why can't we?
That's exactly it. Another case further to the point: I have a friend who used to work at Future Shop. He would tell me how once in a while a person would just walk in with a gym bag, load it up with stuff (usually external hard drives) and walk out without paying. The employees are not allowed to confront them so they call the police but the police would never show up. Where do you think the police are? Yup, you guessed it, on the Bayview extension or some other ridiculous post handing out tickets because it generates more revenue than chasing after real criminals.
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Germans can do it because.... they are smarter, they follow rules and are policed into doing so, drive better cars, make people good drivers before letting them loose on the streets, have better roads. They don't have old people or trucks.
Canadians can't drive 20km faster on a major hwy because... we are stupid, we are so set in our backwards ways it's too hard to change, 80-100-120-130-160 who cares it's overrated, We are unable to build good roads...just the people who built the 407 can, we have new Canadians giving driving instructions to new drivers, too many old people and trucks in Canada. We are scared it's too fast omg the carnage!!! Most motorcyclists are quite happy with the speed limits as it is anyways.
Canadians can't drive 20km faster on a major hwy because... we are stupid, we are so set in our backwards ways it's too hard to change, 80-100-120-130-160 who cares it's overrated, We are unable to build good roads...just the people who built the 407 can, we have new Canadians giving driving instructions to new drivers, too many old people and trucks in Canada. We are scared it's too fast omg the carnage!!! Most motorcyclists are quite happy with the speed limits as it is anyways.
i would rather be able to do 140 and not feel like a complete criminal...
right now its very risky hovering around 140-150 on highways...which is a very acceptable cruising speed for bikes.
so if it was 120, i wouldnt immediately switch and start riding 160.
most people would still ride/drive to what the road is meant for..IE 120!
bottom line, no carnage no issues. Just less revenue generation for the government
right now its very risky hovering around 140-150 on highways...which is a very acceptable cruising speed for bikes.
so if it was 120, i wouldnt immediately switch and start riding 160.
most people would still ride/drive to what the road is meant for..IE 120!
bottom line, no carnage no issues. Just less revenue generation for the government
I would like to hear a cops opinion on that being an acceptable speed for any vehicle. Heck not even emergency vehicles travel those speeds with lights going. They realize their danger goes up the faster they go.
Sorry..I'm still not getting it really, I go at 120kmh, which is 74mph, and have done for 16 years with no problems at all, if I did that speed in the UK, with arguably much stricter licensing, I'd be facing heavy fines every day. They have a strict 70mph max enforced by speed cameras and radar. With driving attitudes here if you raised the limit officially to 120kmh...you'd have idiots pushing their regular limit up another 20kmh. The max on french highways is 110kmh, still lower than our official max speed. The US, many places are 65mph, still lower than our unofficial max speed and very strictly enforced.
Another way of asking this question is, do you want the limit raised to 120kmh (actually more likely 110 kmh if you follow other countries) with a no tolerance policy at anywhere above that, with speed cameras and photo radar? Or do you want to continue with an unofficial policy which has a speed maximum above that of most other countries?
Another way of asking this question is, do you want the limit raised to 120kmh (actually more likely 110 kmh if you follow other countries) with a no tolerance policy at anywhere above that, with speed cameras and photo radar? Or do you want to continue with an unofficial policy which has a speed maximum above that of most other countries?
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