Three bikes all capable of the same type of riding is a fail in my books.
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How many crashes before Sunday evening?
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I quess that depends on how many bikes you have total?
cvcb
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I would love to know the details of a 387k bike? That's a bit unheard-of...
If he rides them that much, I say he's winning. If he had a collection of torture rack trailer queens, I would be with you.
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Mad Mike
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You rarely see hormones being blamed on men's behaviour -- but when it comes to motorsports my hypothesis is they are a major unreported cause of accidents and fatalities. I've seen it a thousand times, I think that often drives riders to wander past their skill threshold.
IMHO Testosterone and Adrenaline force men to do stupid things on motorcycles.
I wonder if you could demand a blood test if you're pulled over? Use your T and A levels as a defense -- out of control and elevated levels altered your judgment and behavior.
If that argument works to beat the ticket, I would hope that the jp medically suspends your license until you can get a doctor to sign off that your levels have been monitored and controlled for an extended period prior to license reinstatement (similar to process for seizures).
TK4
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The stats are often woefully incomplete. In Ontario we seem to only get the OPP numbers, what about municipalities and other non-provincially patrolled roads ? Age, years of riding, type of bike involved, weather, road conditions - these can contribute to a clearer understanding of what's really happening.
I have bugged the MCC and MMIC for years to try to get a handle on this, because it clearly influences the cost of insurance but I'm constantly met with the sound of crickets.
I have bugged the MCC and MMIC for years to try to get a handle on this, because it clearly influences the cost of insurance but I'm constantly met with the sound of crickets.
I would say @Lightcycle gave a pretty good account.
We only briefly discuss risk/insurance in the context that a 50 year old getting into it/back into it is theoretically as much risk as the 20 year old hopping on for the first time. Insurance companies seem to agree. Also, said 50 year old could very well be 'getting on it' to make up for the 30 years he waited while raising kids and paying down his home.
Just look at @mimico_polak I hear the cops are still looking for this outlaw
There isn’t a lot of research on experience as a factor in crashes/fatalities but there is some.
I found 2 scholarly articles:
Comparison of older and younger novice driver crash rates: Informing the need for extended Graduated Driver Licensing restrictions
The role of inexperience in motorcycle crashes among novice and returning motorcycle riders
To encapsulate the findings, ““After adjusting for annual mileage, sex, and motorcycle ownership, the effect of age somewhat exceeded the effect of experience. Still, inexperienced riders (those with less than two years’ experience) had crash rates that were two to four times higher than those of more experienced riders. Inexperienced riders under age 22 had the highest crash rate of any group.”( Curry, A. E., Metzger, K. B., Williams, A. F., & Tefft, B. C. 2017)
And from a rudimentary google search –
“Supersport motorcycles make up a small fraction of registered motorcycles, but their riders are overrepresented in fatal crashes. A 2010 IIHS study found that the driver death rate per 10,000 registered motorcycles for supersports was about 4 times as high as the rate for motorcyclists who rode cruisers or standards (Teoh & Campbell, 2010).” Motorcycles
So it would appear that experience has an influence on crashing and not just riding experience. Older new riders already have road going experience to their benefit and younger new riders suffer for that lack of experience, but by virtue of the average age rising so to does the age of the crasher.
TK4
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I give up.
That's awesome, but you are in an infinitesimally small group.
How many miles do you ride a year? - RevZilla
How many miles does the average U.S. motorcyclist ride each year? Simple question, not easy to answer.
www.revzilla.com
The most interesting statistic to me is that 49.5 percent of the riders said they rode their motorcycle fewer than 1,000 miles in a typical year. Only 12.2 percent said they rode more than 5,000 miles a year, the highest category.
According to the Federal Highway Administration, the average for motorcycles was 2,312 miles in 2018.
And these are US numbers encompassing many US states where you can ride all year round. Here in Ontario I remember reading a statistic from the insurance conglomerates that the average rider covers less than 5000km a year.
Now, put those figures up against the percentage of cruiser/touring motorcycles to sportbikes, and then compare the accident statistics (MadMike provided a very good link on that topic) and you'll quickly see that sportbike riders are on a mile travelled basis, far more likely to wreck.
See the link that MadMike posted. Lots of facts in there in one nice place.
I've been to Sturgis a week either side of the actual rally and saw first hand the results of that. It wasn't pretty, long story short.
That speaks volumes, especially when placed side by side on the actual number of riders in those different groups, the amount of days per year they ride, and the mileages they tend to cover.
I've ridden long enough that I've been in the first 2 groups and I know firsthand that the amount of days I had time (and money) to ride versus now is vastly different.
Lazy law enforcement. They like to sit and sip coffee in obvious locations while pointing a radar.
I'd prefer if they rode in unmarked cars and enforced signalling lane changes and driving in a passing lane. I'm not sure if driving in a passing lane without passing is illegal, but it should be. Enforcing this alone would allow traffic to flow smoother which would lead to fewer accidents.
I agree about the idiots lane splitting, weaving in and out of traffic, pulling wheelies and flying around bends. It angers me when I see it because the thought that always comes to my mind is, "That's why my motorcycle insurance is so high. Idiots like like."
I'd prefer if they rode in unmarked cars and enforced signalling lane changes and driving in a passing lane. I'm not sure if driving in a passing lane without passing is illegal, but it should be. Enforcing this alone would allow traffic to flow smoother which would lead to fewer accidents.
I agree about the idiots lane splitting, weaving in and out of traffic, pulling wheelies and flying around bends. It angers me when I see it because the thought that always comes to my mind is, "That's why my motorcycle insurance is so high. Idiots like like."
Good chart, and you don't have to look very hard to see that the younger segments are over-represented when you take into consideration the (unfortunately uncharted) difference in mileages that those different age groups tend to cover.
Yes, there are high mileage sport bike riders. And yes, there are low mileage cruiser riders. But in those higher age groups there are a *lot* of very high mile riders, and a mature cruiser rider will easily eclipse the lower mile young sportbike crowd on annual miles travelled.
Statistics show that most accidents happen close to home.
The Majority Of Car Accidents Happen Close To Home | Call Now For A Free Consultation
Dolphin Technologies analyzed 3.22 million car trips between 2018 and 2019 and found that 25 percent of all accidents happened during the first three minutes
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Sure, that's obvious..you get lazy, start thinking about dinner, etc.Statistics show that most accidents happen close to home.
The Majority Of Car Accidents Happen Close To Home | Call Now For A Free Consultation
Dolphin Technologies analyzed 3.22 million car trips between 2018 and 2019 and found that 25 percent of all accidents happened during the first three minutes
I'm simply saying that this vague assertation (not by you per say) that young sport bike riders crash/are killed more because they're inexperienced maniacs on the road isn't the complete picture.
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