You should look up words like fascism before you try and use it.
And would it be safe to say the the people who questioned the vaccines were wrong? Isn't it time to get past that? or are you being disingenuous when you say questioning?
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And would it be safe to say the the people who questioned the vaccines were wrong? Isn't it time to get past that? or are you being disingenuous when you say questioning?
the no answer answer....you were asked a bunch of questions.
Average RN pay in Ontario is roughly $35/hour, which tops out probably close to 45 or 50 with OT. That's before taxes and union dues. An RN in Florida makes $33/hour before OT, in a state with no state income tax, in a currency that's worth ~30% more than here, and probably has good health benefits. Oh and it's sunny year round. For a young nurse starting out that's already way more appealing than here.
Travel nurses are nurses that travel from hospital to hospital, usually on short term contracts. They usually work long shifts and live close to the hospital, sometimes in paid accommodation. It's hard work but you can get paid 6-10k a week for this type of work. If you're young and unencumbered it's a great deal (I know a few friends doing it).
The icing on the cake: nurses can work in the US on the NAFTA TN visas, which you can get with a letter of employment when you cross the border. And people wonder why there is brain drain to the US in the medical profession...
I agree completely that Ford isn't only responsible. Years (and governments) of underfunding have made it severely taxed before covid....but i do remember the feds giving us something like 2.7 billion to spend on covid that the Province hasn't spent yet.
WHy woud anyone bother posting an article you can google yourself. You won't believe it anyway.
As for how it is spread.....in your experience are the people who are "scared" (enough to get the vaccines) more or less likely to follow masking and gathering protocols. Are younger people more or less likely to mingle and drink and less likely to get the vaccine and make dumb statements like "I'm in good enough health that I don't need the vaccine" or "the risk of the vaccine is not one I'm willing to take".
All of this is just blather that I made up....but most of the arguments against vaccines and mandates in this thread seem to match it.
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Fact check: Vaccines protect against contracting, spreading COVID-19
While vaccinated people can still get COVID-19, experts say the shots provide considerable protection against the virus.
www.usatoday.com
I'm going to double check your figures because unless i'm misremembering my wife whose an RRT was making about $43 and change at a GTA hospital and i was almost sure nurses were making on par.
Will report back!
Rpn will make about $24. , new grad 28-30.00 , 10yrs in 35.00 ish . In depends on the hospital and your responsibility.
It’s an ok paying job , on par with teachers but not as good a pension.
You can’t compare police and fire, it’s a different job but you also can’t claim 90-100k is an awesome job anymore . Inside sales guys selling plywood can make more .
But when you look at 12 hr shifts , working holidays ( new grads get all this ) , the abuse they get , yelled at by entitled patients , physically beat up by patients, it’s not a great job , or really well paid
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It’s an ok paying job , on par with teachers but not as good a pension.
You can’t compare police and fire, it’s a different job but you also can’t claim 90-100k is an awesome job anymore . Inside sales guys selling plywood can make more .
But when you look at 12 hr shifts , working holidays ( new grads get all this ) , the abuse they get , yelled at by entitled patients , physically beat up by patients, it’s not a great job , or really well paid
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Ages before Covid I was in ER with a abdominal pain of unknown origin. The comments and language used towards the nurses was appalling. We were in an emergency room not at a spa. They need a special care unit for those types, a tent in the parking lot.
In my area of expertise a techie would get around $80 K a year with a couple of years of community college or trade experience. Some benefits and a company car and an annual bonus of 5-10% depending on profits.
How much do auto mechanics, electricians, plumbers, etc make?
Doctors do well but compared to a MBA they don't catch up until they're in their mid forties due to years in university, interning and paying off loans.
Dentistry can be lucrative as well. A friend's nephew paid off a $500 K mortgage in two years when rates were 4-5 times higher.
Dental hygienist? Buddy says his daughter makes $80 an hour.
A self employed master electrician I know bills out around $1500 a day with his specialty knowledge.
1) We have the proactive getting their shots and boosters while masking, distancing and avoiding contact risks.
2) We have the tin hat types with their theories, rhetoric and risky behavior.
3) Then we have the fences sitters letting the others fight it out. Everyone else takes the risks. When the dust clears they take the easy road that has been cleared by the first two groups. Basically they are like vultures. They don't care which of the two first groups wins because they get a risk free meal afterwards.
An uncle volunteered to serve in WWII lying about his age to get in. After his years in Euro-hell he came back and applied for a job. A similarly aged punk/weasel that manipulated his way up while my uncle was dodging German bullets was doing the interview. He told my uncle "We don't just take anyone off the street."
Thank you for your service to your country, now F Off.
If everyone in the Normandy landings cowered at the backs of the landing craft, saying "You go first" we'd all be speaking German.
2) We have the tin hat types with their theories, rhetoric and risky behavior.
3) Then we have the fences sitters letting the others fight it out. Everyone else takes the risks. When the dust clears they take the easy road that has been cleared by the first two groups. Basically they are like vultures. They don't care which of the two first groups wins because they get a risk free meal afterwards.
An uncle volunteered to serve in WWII lying about his age to get in. After his years in Euro-hell he came back and applied for a job. A similarly aged punk/weasel that manipulated his way up while my uncle was dodging German bullets was doing the interview. He told my uncle "We don't just take anyone off the street."
Thank you for your service to your country, now F Off.
If everyone in the Normandy landings cowered at the backs of the landing craft, saying "You go first" we'd all be speaking German.
He also volunteered for Japan but that got settled before he would have been needed.
Mad Mike
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My daughter is a new nurse, she makes $70K to start -- more than a new cop or teacher on day 1. To get to $100K, it takes a cop 3 years, a nurse or teacher about 10.
Before Kathleen Wynne left office, she carried support from Ontario PSUs by doling out incredible raises to a public sector workforce that was already paid 40 to 100% above their private-sector counterparts. Just look at the impact on Ontario's sunshine list growth -- everything on that chart are deals done by Wynne. There are now 206,000 people on the Ontario Govt payroll that make $100K+ a year.
Unfortunately for nurses, they are among the few gov't employees paid far less than their private-sector counterparts. $6-10K/week is not the norm for travel nurses, but they can make $80/hr in the private sector and up to $150/hr on short-term contracts if they are filling a demand position. If nurses had the same public sector premium as most gov't workers, (clerical staff, teachers, PSWs) they would earn about $300K/year.
One of the challenges Ontario health care is facing is nurses are leaving for the private sector. The allure of fewer hours, significantly higher wages is strong. Ironically the shortages are often filled by contract nurses.
Hack
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...a bunch of stupid questions.
I agree the vaccines are the right course if action, however... It cannot be denied that the cohersion that has been under taken in order to force, not encourage or promote getting "the jab" is unprecedented and disturbing.
It's a little unsettling when your employment of over 30 years is threatened by dismissal for not being vaccinated. Especially when it's not every employee or the people we work are allowed to not be... it makes no sense.
The pandemic has pushed travel nurse wages up significantly in the US: U.S. Travel Nurses Are Being Offered as Much as $8,000 a Week - BNN Bloomberg
$10k a week is definitely the top end but it's not totally unheard of, especially if you have ICU experience.
Friends daughter is newish nurse , worked picu , paediatric intensive care, split between sick kids Toronto and sick kids Hamilton, neither could give full time job
Vancouver offers full time in one hospital, pays to relocate her and a 10k signing bonus . Gone west .
His other daughter just took travel nurse job doing Canadian reservations, FIFO , no nights , 1 month in/ 1 month out . Very good money . And it’s federal , gold plated pension compared to Ontario HOOP for nurses
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Vancouver offers full time in one hospital, pays to relocate her and a 10k signing bonus . Gone west .
His other daughter just took travel nurse job doing Canadian reservations, FIFO , no nights , 1 month in/ 1 month out . Very good money . And it’s federal , gold plated pension compared to Ontario HOOP for nurses
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Mad Mike
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A starting RN working in a hospital setting makes about $37/hr (my daughter is a 1st-year nurse on a high-acuity floor in a non-union hospital). She has several close friends that entered nursing 2 years before her - they are all around $100k on high acuity floors. A group of them are going 'travel nursing' this spring in the far north, their contract pays $85/hr for 14 consecutive 12 hour days.
Travel nursing is lucrative and $6-10K is possible for short stints - but not over the long haul. $3-3.5K/wk is realistically the high end for a normal 40hr work week. Still not too shabby!
it is wrong if it’s an illogical hill to die on.
It’s one more vaccine…
Here’s the RMC requirements..
Documents to Bring / Arrival Procedures
Joining instructions for the Royal Military College of Canada - the list of documents to bring with you.
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