has anyone made it out to the 2012 motorcycle show?

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RodneyBR said:
You're welcome. I bet you're REALLY looking forward to the spring :)
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Already bought a few toys for it.
However, you are so right, can`t wait to ride it.
Get the first break in period(1,000 kms) then just go get lost.
Come to think of it most of my friends keep telling me, "Get lost"

Spend the Winter ski ing.

Willl be looking out for your part 2.
Thanks again.
 
Shaman said:
So little knowledge of motorcycles on this forum. Aprilia Mana has helmet storage where most bikes have a tank and the filler is back by the seat (or underneath, can't remember) - since... 2009?
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the Mana is automatic. the manual mode doesn;t work. I mentioned that I think in my 1st post on the bike.
mana doesn;t even factor in as an option. sounds speedy, more so than the 700.. but no shifter == no deal.
 
fyrebug said:
the Mana is automatic. the manual mode doesn;t work. I mentioned that I think in my 1st post on the bike. mana doesn;t even factor in as an option. sounds speedy, more so than the 700.. but no shifter == no deal.
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If you would be so kind, point me in the direction of that review. Because that's not at all what I've understood to be the case. So you don't want an automatic really... no big deal, but myself, I don't see the appeal of the NC700 given what I've read of it. It seems like a 100% commuter bike, which is fine if that is what you want... but I doubt most Canadians do.

But more importantly, the NC700 isn't really an upgrade from the ex500. In looks, mostly. How about V-strom 650, Ninja 650, Shiver 750, FZ8, CBF600, Hypermotard 796, Monster 796? All available and all more interesting than the NC700 imho.

I'm just saying. BTW the Mana is an 850. Forgot that part.

[video=youtube;VuEkSTpUoMw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEkSTpUoMw[/video]

(note they never mention that there's an issue with manual shift)
 
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Skyway6 said:
Thanks for pix of show. What the hell was that BMW scooter? looks so ugly from the front. like they forgot to add in some plastics
up front. As for your bike show, it is held in downtown Toronto? if so, wish our bike show was in a similar place. The Vancouver bike show
is last week of January. but its out in Abbotsford for cripes sake. for those that are not familiar, that is like having the Toronto bike show in
Barrie. Of the last 4 yrs i only been out once because the weather is not so nice. Tends to be colder and snowier out that a way.
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BMW scooter's are huge in Europe and I expect this one to be a success as well.
I've ridden my bike out to Abbotsford several times for the bike show, it's not that bad. Heated jacket and heated grips and you are good to go.
 
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BTW, here's the pic and all pics here:

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cycling said:
Already bought a few toys for it.
However, you are so right, can`t wait to ride it.
Get the first break in period(1,000 kms) then just go get lost.
Come to think of it most of my friends keep telling me, "Get lost"

Spend the Winter ski ing.

Willl be looking out for your part 2.
Thanks again.
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Shaman said:
I don't see the appeal of the NC700 given what I've read of it. It seems like a 100% commuter bike, which is fine if that is what you want... but I doubt most Canadians do.
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there's the wonders of choice. I don't really care if I'm the only one in the world that would buy the 700. that's why there's other models of motorcycles for everyone else. I'm sure the 700 would be fine to do more than commute. if the 500 can why wouldn't the 700?

Can't remember which mana review it was (if you don't beleive without a link I can live with that). in automatic it shifts fine. but changing to manual mode causes glitchyness. a few reviews mentioned that problem, there's even people on aprilia forums mentioning it. Did quite a bit of reading on it when I originally got excited about the mana 2 years ago.

I dunno, I shift to 4th half the time while doing 60km/h on the ex500, (it gets better mpg that way) even in stop and go city (this morning even). it's just a pattern I'm now used to. I guess if I got a shiver or a mana they'd both be automatic because I could probably just leave the shiver in 1st gear to do 60 no problems for the commute. not sure if I really like that idea. I can see the appeal for someone else... but I like shifting... makes me feel like part of the machine and it's not something I found tedious or difficult. It's hard to know without test riding the mana if I'd grow to love it. but I'd be worried it could be hard to switch back to manual later on.

and yes. I doubt the nc700 would feel like a step up power wise, but does it need to be? why do I need to be the fastest thing on the road in order to have fun? my ego can handle some spikey haired 19yr old in a civic zipping past me. I really won't shed a tear. if I want to feel adventurous I go rock climbing or kayaking. out accelerating a soccer mom... meh.

sorry. that was long.
 
What're the dates / pricing for this thing ... Is it still going on ?

I read that its gonna continue on the 7th Jan ...
 
Shaman said:
If you would be so kind, point me in the direction of that review. Because that's not at all what I've understood to be the case. So you don't want an automatic really... no big deal, but myself, I don't see the appeal of the NC700 given what I've read of it. It seems like a 100% commuter bike, which is fine if that is what you want... but I doubt most Canadians do.

But more importantly, the NC700 isn't really an upgrade from the ex500. In looks, mostly. How about V-strom 650, Ninja 650, Shiver 750, FZ8, CBF600, Hypermotard 796, Monster 796? All available and all more interesting than the NC700 imho.

I'm just saying. BTW the Mana is an 850. Forgot that part.

[video=youtube;VuEkSTpUoMw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEkSTpUoMw[/video]

(note they never mention that there's an issue with manual shift)
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Funny, but when you deck it out like this:

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The NC700 begins to look an awful lot like this:

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I turned the ER-6n into a middleweight, naked touring bike. The NC is already there, albeit with less luggage capacity, but with the bonus of having factory fitted luggage, better fuel economy, and a ready-made helmet storage compartment that might well be overlooked by thieves.
 
But the ER-6N has about 25hp on the NC700. *NOT* a small amount. Of course, not the gas milage, either.
 
Shaman said:
But the ER-6N has about 25hp on the NC700. *NOT* a small amount. Of course, not the gas milage, either.
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But what about torque? I haven't seen anything about that, yet, and it's the source from which all things good come.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
But what about torque? I haven't seen anything about that, yet, and it's the source from which all things good come.
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Ah, but torque and final drive gearing are inter-related. If the ER has another 3,500 rpm to work with (it does), then it can be geared so that a small deficit at the crankshaft - if such exists - will actually be a big positive once it gets to the rubber. Don't get caught up in the published numbers because they don't usually mean what they appear to mean. For example, the modern R6 with its truly pitiful power delivery under 10,000 rpm and truly awesome power above it could be re-geared to become an all-around monster if someone so desired, by taking advantage of its huge RPM range. Heck, you can't even pull redline in fifth gear on one anyways, why not do it?
 
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mxs said:
I think you need to re-think your comparison table. NC700 to FZ8 is apples to melons.
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Yeah, I see what you mean. I'm not really comparing the two side-by-side. I just brought up the FZ800 cuz the dude(fyrebug?) on the thread I was following looked like he was into a mid-class naked bike to upgrade from his ex-500. Thought I'd offer it up cuz I was so impressed with it.
 
Shaman said:
Aprilia didn't bring the new Tuono in or the new RSV4s. Or the new Dorsorduro. So really all there is for me to go for tomorrow is the Panigale and hey... I'll just hit GP bikes in the new year for that.
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They (we) did have the Dorso 1200 on the floor... Plus an RSV 4R and Factory; granted not 2012 APRCs but externally they are the same except for the muffler... And the RSV 4 SBK in the middle of the booth. V4 Tuonos sadly not though. They'll be landing in March.
 
Threw a leg over the Dorso 1200.Very impressed with it.It feels lighter than my Hyper.The Diavel is awesome.I took one for a demo ride this summer and had a chance to kinda flog it.Never thought i would say a cruiser is fun in that sense.
 
Shaman said:
Ah, but torque and final drive gearing are inter-related. If the ER has another 3,500 rpm to work with (it does), then it can be geared so that a small deficit at the crankshaft - if such exists - will actually be a big positive once it gets to the rubber. Don't get caught up in the published numbers because they don't usually mean what they appear to mean. For example, the modern R6 with its truly pitiful power delivery under 10,000 rpm and truly awesome power above it could be re-geared to become an all-around monster if someone so desired, by taking advantage of its huge RPM range. Heck, you can't even pull redline in fifth gear on one anyways, why not do it?
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A 535 Virago doesn't feel anything like a Ninja 500, and yet they're both twins with similar displacement. There's a lot more to a bike, and how it delivers power, than simple gearing can account for. If that was all then there would be long stroke engines, over square engines, etc......
 
Ah, but you make my point for me perfectly.
 
Shaman said:
Ah, but you make my point for me perfectly.
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I'm afraid that I don't. My point is that horsepower is relatively meaningless, in this context, as is rpm range. All 650/700cc engines are not equal and horsepower, and rpm numbers are relatively meaningless when it comes to the utility of a bike. Sportiness? Maybe, but that is immaterial and hard to define.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I'm afraid that I don't. My point is that horsepower is relatively meaningless, in this context, as is rpm range. All 650/700cc engines are not equal and horsepower, and rpm numbers are relatively meaningless when it comes to the utility of a bike. Sportiness? Maybe, but that is immaterial.
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OK, then, you're just wrong. SORT OF. :) If two engines have similar torque regardless of displacement, but one makes it at say 10,000 RPM peak and the other makes it at 6,500 RPM peak, well.... first of all, the engine with the higher peak torque is going to have higher horsepower, it's unavoidable, because it can do more work in a given time... and secondly, the fact that it has another 3,500 rpm means that the designer can take advantage of gearing, which could mean (and usually does) that the motor with its torque peak output at a much higher RPM may also have more torque *at the wheel* at all RPMs, because it can take advantage of its RPM range with lower gearing. As a rule of thumb, you want to make your peak torque at a higher engine RPM for that reason - if you are considering only performance.

All other factors being equal, of course. Your example does work simply because the two motors couldn't be different as far as peak torque, peak horsepower, gearing and rev range if you were to ignore the rest of the bike. Gearing is really only part of the equation, but if you are rating MOTORS and how they WORK, that has to be strongly considered. Just because an engine is a specific size or has a specific torque output doesn't tell you much about how it's going to move the bike, which was my point... gearing and rev range are also very important.
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