has anyone made it out to the 2012 motorcycle show?

[aircooled5]

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The UK paper Telegraph has a review of the new Honda and its quite interesting bike from their perspective....the link is below. Ian
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorbikes/8848446/Honda-NC700X-review.html

 

[Rob MacLennan]

OK, then, you're just wrong. SORT OF. If two engines have similar torque regardless of displacement, but one makes it at say 10,000 RPM peak and the other makes it at 6,500 RPM peak, well.... first of all, the engine with the higher peak torque is going to have higher horsepower, it's unavoidable, because it can do more work in a given time... and secondly, the fact that it has another 3,500 rpm means that the designer can take advantage of gearing, which could mean (and usually does) that the motor with its torque peak output at a much higher RPM may also have more torque *at the wheel* at all RPMs, because it can take advantage of its RPM range with lower gearing. As a rule of thumb, you want to make your peak torque at a higher engine RPM for that reason - if you are considering only performance.

All other factors being equal, of course. Your example does work simply because the two motors couldn't be different as far as peak torque, peak horsepower, gearing and rev range if you were to ignore the rest of the bike. Gearing is really only part of the equation, but if you are rating MOTORS and how they WORK, that has to be strongly considered. Just because an engine is a specific size or has a specific torque output doesn't tell you much about how it's going to move the bike, which was my point... gearing and rev range are also very important.

Torque, from which horsepower is merely a derivation, is dependant upon how the engine functions. The torque curve can be key and, based on that linked article, it would seem that the NC has a torque curve like a tabletop.

 

[Shaman]

No doubt. Doesn't change my statements, all the same. My Sprint ST had a torque curve like a table as well, but it had a big shove right around 9,000 rpm. Figure that out. I do believe my original statement that I am defending is actually "don't get caught up in the published numbers because they don't usually mean what they appear to mean."

 

[fyrebug]

going off the article linked above for some more info on the nc700 speed. thanks aircooled5!

v-strom 650 0-60mph, 5.6sec
ninja 250 0-60 5.5 sec
honda cbf600 0-60mph 4.6sec
ex500 0-60mph 3.76sec
sv650 0-60mph 3.3sec
shiver 0-60mph 3.1sec

nc700 ...unknown faster than cbf600 according to article.

so I'll guess 3.9 - 4.2 seconds 0-60.. is that really slow enough to complain about?

ya sure, if you buy 6 gsxr-1000's yes, this isn't the bike for you, no it's not a track bike, but it's not positioned as such. it's for someone like me that says
---> what's one second? so I get to the red light 40 feet away 1 sec faster. so?

people love the v-strom. the nc700x is an 'adventure' version faster than the v-strom. so ... are they all wrong? they like the strom becuase it's dependable, but still. I know the discussion is happening to be helpful, but everyone wants different things from a bike.

trunk, low center of gravity, good mpg, better looking. these are a few of my favorite things... to me, that's a step up. it doesn't need to go faster to be a step up.

 

[nebulabob]

Re: has anyone made it out to the 2012 motorcycle show?!!

BTW, here's the pic and all pics here:

Some great pictures there,enjoyed looking at them...thanks.

 

[kamper]

Re: has anyone made it out to the 2012 motorcycle show?!!

A funny story related to the show that no one has mentioned yet.

On Sunday, we were chatting with Clinton from CMTS who runs the training ride for kids on the little yamahas. Normally they're in the back left corner, but when we were there, they were riding back in the loading bays outside the main showroom.

Apparently what happened is a woman working in a booth for some magazine smelled some of the exhaust fumes and called 911. The police and fire department came and measured the air quality, finding that it was well within acceptable limits, but for some reason they couldn't just let it go on. So Clinton offered to move the ride out to the loading bays, after several hours worth of kids had lost the slots they had signed up for...

When the editor of the magazine that employed the complainer found out, he came over and apologized profusely, and also fired the complainer!

 

[Ugur Dinch]

Re: has anyone made it out to the 2012 motorcycle show?!!

A funny story related to the show that no one has mentioned yet.

On Sunday, we were chatting with Clinton from CMTS who runs the training ride for kids on the little yamahas. Normally they're in the back left corner, but when we were there, they were riding back in the loading bays outside the main showroom.

Apparently what happened is a woman working in a booth for some magazine smelled some of the exhaust fumes and called 911. The police and fire department came and measured the air quality, finding that it was well within acceptable limits, but for some reason they couldn't just let it go on. So Clinton offered to move the ride out to the loading bays, after several hours worth of kids had lost the slots they had signed up for...

When the editor of the magazine that employed the complainer found out, he came over and apologized profusely, and also fired the complainer!

lol what a stupid way to lose a job

 

[soto]

going off the article linked above for some more info on the nc700 speed. thanks aircooled5!

v-strom 650 0-60mph, 5.6sec
ninja 250 0-60 5.5 sec
honda cbf600 0-60mph 4.6sec
ex500 0-60mph 3.76sec
sv650 0-60mph 3.3sec
shiver 0-60mph 3.1sec

nc700 ...unknown faster than cbf600 according to article.

so I'll guess 3.9 - 4.2 seconds 0-60.. is that really slow enough to complain about?

ya sure, if you buy 6 gsxr-1000's yes, this isn't the bike for you, no it's not a track bike, but it's not positioned as such. it's for someone like me that says
---> what's one second? so I get to the red light 40 feet away 1 sec faster. so?

people love the v-strom. the nc700x is an 'adventure' version faster than the v-strom. so ... are they all wrong? they like the strom becuase it's dependable, but still. I know the discussion is happening to be helpful, but everyone wants different things from a bike.

trunk, low center of gravity, good mpg, better looking. these are a few of my favorite things... to me, that's a step up. it doesn't need to go faster to be a step up.

No way a VStrom takes more than 5 sec to 100kph - maybe with a passenger and luggage! People like the bike because of the characteristics of the motor which can't be quantified with just 2 numbers, and because it's a do-it-all bike.

That's why I would never buy a bike based on spec-sheet alone without riding it first. You gotta see how it connects to you when in motion.

Also, to be honest I don't see the big deal with the low center of gravity. Just means all things being equal the bike will have to lean more in a given corner which isn't great.

The fuel economy is impressive though.

I would definitely ride the bikes you're considering and judge for yourself before pulling the trigger and take into consideration the aftermarket possibilities.

 

[Shaman]

My SV was very fast to 60. I couldn't tell you how fast, but the way it was geared and the amount of throttle you could use right off the jump made it really quick.

 

[fyrebug]

Agree about needing to ride to do a real comparison, I believe those numbers though as a starting point. no way suzuki released a slower 0-60mph number on purpose. the v-strom is the same HP as the ex500 and 100lbs more. makes sense to me it would be slower. pixie dust gearing or not. a twitchy adv bike that accelerates super fast isn't a good thing when dealing with loose surfaces or wet surfaces.

low center of gravity is useful to me because I take my bike camping a lot. less top weight would make it easier to balance on gravel. though that might be a mute point after you load it with 100lbs of gear.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

My SV was very fast to 60. I couldn't tell you how fast, but the way it was geared and the amount of throttle you could use right off the jump made it really quick.

And given how the law is around here, these days, that's about the best fun you can have without getting pulled.

.... until they come out with an "exhibition of acceleration" law, that is.

It's also why I hated SVs on the track, when I was riding my FZR400.

 

[MacDoc]

I don't believe for a second the Vstrom 650 is anywhere near 5 sec or that NC700 will be either.

The Burgman is in the 8 sec range, my buddy with the Vstrom is 100 lb lighter...he is somewhat faster to 100 kph but not 3 seconds faster and the Burgman is no slouch with it's tranny.

He has better acceleration in the top range from 100 up. A lot of that is our riding weight - - the Vstrom also gets about 10 kph on the top speed and 20% more horsepower - it will clean up on the Honda.

The NC700 is 47 hp rated and 228 KG - not goin anywhere fast it's only 10 kg less than the Burgman and it's 40 kg heavy than the Vstrom. ( Buddy's is pretty geared up with bags etc )

Sorry but the NC is a tame commuter bike without even the advantage of a CVT to offer some flex in gearing.

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Fyrebug - yeah - the Vstrom had a harder time in a dry stream bed than the Burgman due to "twitchy". ( no it was not an INTENDED route.)
That's where the 650 thumpers are nice - very controllable.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Why is the Vstom so much slower than the SV just gearing?

 

[fyrebug]

I feel a bit like everyone is shouting into an empty echoing hallway, OR I'm misunderstanding the conversation.

it's tame. yes. that's not being argued.
why is that a problem for people that don't desire the fastest machine on the road?

 

[soto]

low center of gravity is useful to me because I take my bike camping a lot. less top weight would make it easier to balance on gravel. though that might be a mute point after you load it with 100lbs of gear.

As a side-note, try standing on the pegs on gravel/dirt. I havent tried this on a sport bike but i expect the bike will be much easier to control once you get used to this position.

 

[killerkeith]

I feel a bit like everyone is shouting into an empty echoing hallway, OR I'm misunderstanding the conversation.

it's tame. yes. that's not being argued.
why is that a problem for people that don't desire the fastest machine on the road?

I agree. This looks like a sweet commuter and is on my list for next season.

 

[soto]

I feel a bit like everyone is shouting into an empty echoing hallway, OR I'm misunderstanding the conversation.

it's tame. yes. that's not being argued.
why is that a problem for people that don't desire the fastest machine on the road?

Haha you're right! We don't like the idea of sensible motorcycles. Bikers are crazy wild mofos

Fact is sometimes you're just drawn to a certain bike. At the moment I'm crazy about the BMW r1200r - but unlike you I don't have a valid explanation.

 

[Shaman]

Motorcycles are not a particularly rational way of life, especially in North America. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Scuba Steve]

I feel a bit like everyone is shouting into an empty echoing hallway, OR I'm misunderstanding the conversation.

it's tame. yes. that's not being argued.
why is that a problem for people that don't desire the fastest machine on the road?

I didn't know about this bike before and am now considering one as well.

 

[DoubleJ]

The Honda looked just what it is a relaxed tourer. As for the kids story and the moto cross bikes, it happened around 2pm on Friday afternoon. Was having a bite in the eating area and no fumes were evident. Fired the ***** eh, looks good on her.

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