Handgun opinions

robertsonmatt said:
One of these days I'm going to seek a LTATT without doing it through a club. I see nowhere in the law where club membership is required and I believe I can challenge the CFO in court on this....and win.
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I tried going down this route, well except the court part. Was told straight up that unless a club does it for me im not getting it...

Another thing that blows is the fact that you can get it for up to 5 years, but miss your membership renewal payment and bye bye att, you gotta do it all over again
 
RockerGuy said:
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought an ATT is written for a designated range
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It is. You can only take your Rest. firearms to one club as specified on the ATT. It has to be local to you and you can only belong to one club at a time.

Everything else is extra permits for competition shoots or training facilities.
 
D23 said:
It is. You can only take your Rest. firearms to one club as specified on the ATT. It has to be local to you and you can only belong to one club at a time.

Everything else is extra permits for competition shoots or training facilities.
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Thats not true, you can take your restricted to all APPROVED ranges in ontario with a valid att
 
robertsonmatt said:
One of these days I'm going to seek a LTATT without doing it through a club. I see nowhere in the law where club membership is required and I believe I can challenge the CFO in court on this....and win.
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You can get one without belonging to a club, but it is a tough fight. In some provinces you have to be a member of a club and be issued an ATT before you can even purchase a restricted firearm.

You can also get a temporary ATT by fax or email. Usually within a couple of hours if needed. The one issued by the club is only good to transport from your residence to an approved range. If you have to take your firearm to a gun smith you will need an additional temporary one. Same as if you will be away shooting at a competition. You can get a special ATT so that you can stay overnight at a hotel of friends house.

I keep a copy of the safe storage regs in my shooting bag. This is incase I get stopped by an overzealous LEO. They are laking in what the actual regs are. Some can't even determine what is restricted and what is not.

Another thing to think about is that if you purchase restriceted firearms and later fail to be a member of an approved range, you will have a hard time renewing your RPAL. Most people are forced to become collectors. This means your firearms can only stay at your residence and you can no longer go out and shoot. THe Government does not make things easy.
 
D23 said:
It is. You can only take your Rest. firearms to one club as specified on the ATT. It has to be local to you and you can only belong to one club at a time.

Everything else is extra permits for competition shoots or training facilities.
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I am currently a member of 2 clubs. My ATT was issued by one. My ATT is good for any approved range in Ontario.
 
"There are two basic versions: those issued for a specific point-to-point trip for an acceptable purpose, and those issued for multiple events or for an extended period (eg. to all approved shooting ranges in the province of Ontario for three years)"

If you join a club and want to shoot after you have completed the course it's a point to point ATT.

If you are a competition shooter you have to have a specific permit to deviate from that one route.

So, if you aren't on a team or in competitions, IE: a recreational shooter then it's point to point.

I'm going to assume RockerGuy falls into the first catagory right now, unless he is in some organization where he is shooting competitively?
 
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Christ almighty I didn't realize this was so complicated.

This is a damn good thread, though. We should probably sticky it or something.
 
D23 said:
I'm going to assume RockerGuy falls into the first catagory right now, unless he is in some organization where he is shooting competitively?
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I don't think I'm qualified for competition, lol
Flashmonkey said:
This is a damn good thread, though. We should probably sticky it or something.
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Sticky a firearms laws in a motorcycle forum?? :D
 
D23 said:
"There are two basic versions: those issued for a specific point-to-point trip for an acceptable purpose, and those issued for multiple events or for an extended period (eg. to all approved shooting ranges in the province of Ontario for three years)"

If you join a club and want to shoot after you have completed the course it's a point to point ATT.

If you are a competition shooter you have to have a specific permit to deviate from that one route.

So, if you aren't on a team or in competitions, IE: a recreational shooter then it's point to point.

I'm going to assume RockerGuy falls into the first catagory right now, unless he is in some organization where he is shooting competitively?
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I have a LTATT for all approved ranges in ONtario long before I shot competitively. the standard ATT issued through a gun club is the one which covers all ranges in Ontario. I've been a member of multiple clubs and this has always been the case.

You don't need to shoot competitively, or be a member of a team. Even recreational shooters get permission to all gun clubs in Ontario.
 
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Flashmonkey said:
Christ almighty I didn't realize this was so complicated.

This is a damn good thread, though. We should probably sticky it or something.
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Ya complicated as hell for everyday law abiding citizens, yet the criminals go out and buy a gun in 15 minutes lol
 
bigguy1 said:
You can get one without belonging to a club, but it is a tough fight. In some provinces you have to be a member of a club and be issued an ATT before you can even purchase a restricted firearm.

You can also get a temporary ATT by fax or email. Usually within a couple of hours if needed. The one issued by the club is only good to transport from your residence to an approved range. If you have to take your firearm to a gun smith you will need an additional temporary one. Same as if you will be away shooting at a competition. You can get a special ATT so that you can stay overnight at a hotel of friends house.

I keep a copy of the safe storage regs in my shooting bag. This is incase I get stopped by an overzealous LEO. They are laking in what the actual regs are. Some can't even determine what is restricted and what is not.

Another thing to think about is that if you purchase restriceted firearms and later fail to be a member of an approved range, you will have a hard time renewing your RPAL. Most people are forced to become collectors. This means your firearms can only stay at your residence and you can no longer go out and shoot. THe Government does not make things easy.
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I'm not sure if this repsonse is directed towards me, but you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm convinced the battle will have to goto court, which I will be prepared to do. All I need from the CFO is written denial and the grounds on which they refuse to issue me an ATT.
 
robertsonmatt said:
I have a LTATT for all approved ranges in ONtario long before I shot competitively. the standard ATT issued through a gun club is the one which covers all ranges in Ontario. I've been a member of multiple clubs and this has always been the case.
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That is also my understanding...
 
robertsonmatt said:
I'm not sure if this repsonse is directed towards me, but you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm convinced the battle will have to goto court, which I will be prepared to do. All I need from the CFO is written denial and the grounds on which they refuse to issue me an ATT.
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I dont think its worth all the trouble, although i understand your frustration. On top of stupid regulations these people make up their own rules along the way
 
bigguy1 said:
I am currently a member of 2 clubs. My ATT was issued by one. My ATT is good for any approved range in Ontario.
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Mine is the same.

Club rules and policy is another can of worms. Many clubs require that you take and pass the club level handgun course, even though you've already done it through your ATT sponsoring club. Then there's probation periods. One of my clubs required me to attend a "work party" day where I had to help construct a floating foundation for a small cabin - LOL!
 
Dohhh said:
Ya complicated as hell for everyday law abiding citizens, yet the criminals go out and buy a gun in 15 minutes lol
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promac said:
One of my clubs required me to attend a "work party" day where I had to help construct a floating foundation for a small cabin - LOL!
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Ya but think of all the work parties those crooks are missing out on haha!
 
D23 said:
"There are two basic versions: those issued for a specific point-to-point trip for an acceptable purpose, and those issued for multiple events or for an extended period (eg. to all approved shooting ranges in the province of Ontario for three years)"

If you join a club and want to shoot after you have completed the course it's a point to point ATT.

If you are a competition shooter you have to have a specific permit to deviate from that one route.

So, if you aren't on a team or in competitions, IE: a recreational shooter then it's point to point.

I'm going to assume RockerGuy falls into the first catagory right now, unless he is in some organization where he is shooting competitively?
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Sorry but you are wrong. You do not need to be on a team or compete. I am not a competative shooter and have never been one. I am as you say a recreational shooter. My ATT states from residence to any approved range in Ontario. The same goes for the rest of the recreational shooters that I know from the 2 clubs I belong to. Perhapes if yours is different it is due to what your specific club applied for. If that is the case I would be speaking to the person responsible for applying for the ATT's.
 
promac said:
Mine is the same.

Club rules and policy is another can of worms. Many clubs require that you take and pass the club level handgun course, even though you've already done it through your ATT sponsoring club. Then there's probation periods. One of my clubs required me to attend a "work party" day where I had to help construct a floating foundation for a small cabin - LOL!
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It's actually an Ontario policy to complete the course. SOme clubs take it real serious. All day in class course along with having to shoot a certain amount of targets. Others just do a 1.5 - 2 hour refresher and walk around the range to get familiar with it.
 
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