If you like the p226 you can get a norinco NP226 (copy of the sig) for about 350.00 cdn. They are well made and parts are interchangable with the sigs. So getting extra mags, springs, new slide and such is not problem if needed down the road. I would check out Marstar or cedar Valley hunting supplies. Cedar Valley in in the newmarket area.
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Handgun opinions
- Thread starter VanillaGorilla
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It's NP-22.. Heard good things about'em, so I might even get one if I decide to go restricted
They are real nice and the newer ones come with the tactical rail on the bottom. I was going to get one until I handled one. I have big hands and it did not feel right. Looked awsome but was just too small for my hands. I went with a NP28 (1911 in 9mm) instead. Feels great and shoots even better.
I'm lucky that I'm at 5'9" and got small hands, so it would not be too small for me (I've handled a P226 at a range, abroad). However, another option if I decide to go restricted would be Norinco's M93 (Woodsman knockoff).. With 2000rds it would still cost me less than an NP-22 lol That might be a decent way to work out the worst of the kinks that are sure to be in my technique (considering my SEVERELY limited experience at the range) before working on getting used to the recoil of 9mm para.
the 9mm para doesn't have a lot of recoil at all, but the velocity of the bullet does create a distinctive "snap" like a whip from the slide. as for working out the kinks on a .22, i think that will all go out the window when you move to a 9mm.
just start practicing on the 9mm (provided you already know how to shoot straight) and get used the the snap
the .40 S&W doesn't seem to have the same snap (for me) that I feel with the 9mm. it's more of a "shove".
i find myself more accurate with it (in the Glock)
Currently, with my mad skillz, I'm sure I'd be happy with getting somewhere near the side of the barn, so I figured I might wanna start with stuff that's dirt-cheap (assuming my rPAL gets approved and I don't decide to go with a long gun instead)
Why not get both? I have a few pistols in .22LR, for those days I feel like letting off steam at the range. You can't beat 525 rounds for 22 bucks.
Real bad influence.. Instead of trying to make an informed decision on whether I should go restricted or not, you're having me look at 2
Real bad influence.. Instead of trying to make an informed decision on whether I should go restricted or not, you're having me look at 2
lol, they are like tattoos. You can't stop at one. I bought a 14 gun safe thinking I would have lots of room for future purchases. I have had my RPAL for almost 2 years and my safe is full. I belong to an indoor range so I ride in the summer and shoot in the winter. Great stress relief either way.
That gives me a bit of comfort.. I stopped at 2 and haven't budged in 9 years
With that being said, I still got 3 pistols (a 9, a full-sized .22 and a "tiny" .22) on my potential shopping list and thinking of at least 3-4 long guns before even getting my rPAL :shock:
Note: Take what I'm saying with a big grain of salt and make sure you hear from more experienced gun owners.
The way I understand it is that as long as it's unloaded and locked up in a cabinet or a safe, it should be a non-issue. I also have a couple of questions for more experienced gun owners after they confirm what I said or call me an idiot, of course
1) I am assuming that the cabinet'safe has to be bolted to the wall or the floor? Are there any specific rules on that?
2) Let's say I wanna hit my buddy's range as a guest and then go over to his place for bbq. Let's say that I have an LTATT.. How would I go about it legally if his house is let's say 20km out of the way if you take the closest house-range route? Or is it impossible even if he has rPAL and a proper gun cabinet/safe/vault?
Note: Take what I'm saying with a big grain of salt and make sure you hear from more experienced gun owners.
The way I understand it is that as long as it's unloaded and locked up in a cabinet or a safe, it should be a non-issue. I also have a couple of questions for more experienced gun owners after they confirm what I said or call me an idiot, of course
1) I am assuming that the cabinet'safe has to be bolted to the wall or the floor? Are there any specific rules on that?
2) Let's say I wanna hit my buddy's range as a guest and then go over to his place for bbq. Let's say that I have an LTATT.. How would I go about it legally if his house is let's say 20km out of the way if you take the closest house-range route? Or is it impossible even if he has rPAL and a proper gun cabinet/safe/vault?
You will get varying opinions on the above as the laws are poorly writen and open to interpretation. I will asume you are speaking about restricted firearms.
If you store them in a cabinet (like the tin stack ons) you will require they be trigger locked. If storing them in a "safe" they do not need a trigger lock. Some will say the stack on cabinet complies with the law. Others say it does not. I would not take the chance. It soes not need to be bolted down. So long as it can't be moved easily. Again a safe is very heavy and not easy to move. A small cabinet, or locker is and you could find yourself with an unsafe storage charge should they get stolen.
As for travelling. Your LTATT states what you can do. Basically travel from residence to any approved range in Ontario. You cannot stop at a friends for a BBQ. Now I have spoken to a few LEO, and they say common sense would say if your buddy is licensed and has a safe you would be ok. But it would be up to the LEO descretion. That's something I would not want to reply on when it comes to firearms. Most know very little about firearms and transport laws. They tend to charge first findout the right answer later.
If you are looking for more info a good source is a website called canadina gun nutz. Lots of good people willing to help others with their hobby. Just like this site.
Why in the world would you let that be a worry?
The storage laws are pretty easy to abide by, and more importantly; cops can't knock on your door to check if your guns are safely stored.
Yeah.. I've always said "Never assume that common sense will override blind obedience to the letter of the law" Under those circumstances, it might not be such a bad idea to get a temp ATT from the RCMP if possible along the lines of house-range-buddy's place if that's even possible. For target shooting, most of my trips would be home-range-home, but it would be nice to go with my buddy from time to time.
Under those circumstances, it might not be such a bad idea to get a temp ATT from the RCMP if possible along the lines of house-range-buddy's place if that's even possible. For target shooting, most of my trips would be home-range-home, but it would be nice to go with my buddy from time to time.Yeah.. I've always said "Never assume that common sense will override blind obedience to the letter of the law"
I've never worried about those silly little nuances. If you need to pick up a buddy just do it, it's not a big deal. When is the last time you were pulled over and your car searched anyway? When were you last asked by a cop if you're transporting firearms? I wouldn't bring it up unless I was asked a direct question, that's for sure.
Also, you're allowed to transport the guns to any approved range anywhere in Ontario; so just take note of a few different ranges in opposite directions from your house and you're fine.
You won't get a temp ATT to take the guns to your buddies house unless he's also an RPAL holder and you're lending him the firearms.
Onagoth
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Couple corrections...
there is no requirement in law that the safe be "difficult to move" ...A small safe weighing only 20 lbs, is legal under the law, even if its not bolted down.
An individual may store a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and
(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
Rest assured, not matter what your storage preferences, if your guns get stolen, theres a good chance you'll be charged with unsafe storage...that's just the province/country we live in.
The LTATT issued under the auspices of the CFO (not the RCMP) covers routine stops for gasoline and meals. If you're buddy is not on a "reasonably direct route in the circumstances" you cannot go there. If you buddy is on the route, you can stop there for food. Me, I have a LTATT to gun clubs in Ontario and a 1 year ATT to all border crossings....so I am pretty much always on a reasonably direct route to the destinations covered on my ATTs.
Your friend doesn't need to have a safe, or be licensed. The firearm isnt being 'stored' there, so all that is irrelevant. The firearm is still in transport if you stop for a meal, leave it in the truck of a locked car, and you're fine. Just stay on a reasonable route.
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