So that makes Douchey-ness acceptable?
Guys, Please. Stay away from me.
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So that makes Douchey-ness acceptable?
Modeboy
Well-known member
It's prob because they're the ones winjin about it... Most of people who dont care, would prob also not post about it...
alaywa
Banned
There are simply a lot of uptight riders in this forum, and my experience on the street in Toronto is that is simply not reflective of the forum. To top it off the other day I was riding behind 2 cop riders on those big mother Harleys of theirs. They had open face helmets, button up police issued t-shirts and rode the whoooooooole time side by side in the lane!!!!
These were cops cruising around, SIDE BY SIDE!!!! There is plenty of room in the damn lane. Some of you guys are way too uptight. Now I wouldn't advocate riding with a stranger in the same lane, but pulling up to the red light slowly in the same lane? Come on, get off your high bikes!
It is no big deal, not unsafe, and even if the dude "passes" you by accelerating hard and taking the lead, what's the problem??? They got out of your way! If you think you pace is quicker, change lanes and pass, like you would any car (like the hundreds of passes you make every day). I can't believe passing another bike, who passed you earlier keeps half of you up at night.
This is such a non-issue of a stuck up rider who thinks he knows better and looks down on other riders. Instead he could have been kind and "instructed" them, rather than pulling attitude. This holier than thow attitude doesn't help. Soften up.
Maybe you should invest in a trike and properly take up the whole lane, pretending you're a rider....cause you have already lost some of that rider spirit.
That being said, I am way more cautious of you types on the road now...not because of the safety factor, but because of your precious egos. I for one don't care if you pull up to me at every light in my lane, and either lead for a time or drop back. I actually enjoy the biker banter and comradery. I like the break from monotony in traffic. I like the odd conversation. If I'm not in the mood, feeling sluggish, or even too aggressive for such a rider, I'll either pull away or drop back. There have been umpteen times I have met bored out of their mind riders on their commutes, but once we pull up to the lights, we energize each other and go for a spirited ride to our respective destinations. We have often taken turns leading, and cutting up traffic. I have never once had an incident ever with either less experienced riders, or more experienced. If I run out of things to say at the next light, I merely indicate I have my music on, and we get back to some riding.
The antisocialism, aside from the parking lot pose down variety, is stifling and surprising in this forum. It truly is in extreme contrast to my riding experience in other parts of the world. Seriously, you guys need MORE experience in a few other areas if you're this hung up over a rider pulling up to you in your lane at a light! It is both legal and safe, hands down. If you can't handle it, most likely you're the lacking rider who needs to be "instructed".
These were cops cruising around, SIDE BY SIDE!!!! There is plenty of room in the damn lane. Some of you guys are way too uptight. Now I wouldn't advocate riding with a stranger in the same lane, but pulling up to the red light slowly in the same lane? Come on, get off your high bikes!
It is no big deal, not unsafe, and even if the dude "passes" you by accelerating hard and taking the lead, what's the problem??? They got out of your way! If you think you pace is quicker, change lanes and pass, like you would any car (like the hundreds of passes you make every day). I can't believe passing another bike, who passed you earlier keeps half of you up at night.
This is such a non-issue of a stuck up rider who thinks he knows better and looks down on other riders. Instead he could have been kind and "instructed" them, rather than pulling attitude. This holier than thow attitude doesn't help. Soften up.
Maybe you should invest in a trike and properly take up the whole lane, pretending you're a rider....cause you have already lost some of that rider spirit.
That being said, I am way more cautious of you types on the road now...not because of the safety factor, but because of your precious egos. I for one don't care if you pull up to me at every light in my lane, and either lead for a time or drop back. I actually enjoy the biker banter and comradery. I like the break from monotony in traffic. I like the odd conversation. If I'm not in the mood, feeling sluggish, or even too aggressive for such a rider, I'll either pull away or drop back. There have been umpteen times I have met bored out of their mind riders on their commutes, but once we pull up to the lights, we energize each other and go for a spirited ride to our respective destinations. We have often taken turns leading, and cutting up traffic. I have never once had an incident ever with either less experienced riders, or more experienced. If I run out of things to say at the next light, I merely indicate I have my music on, and we get back to some riding.
The antisocialism, aside from the parking lot pose down variety, is stifling and surprising in this forum. It truly is in extreme contrast to my riding experience in other parts of the world. Seriously, you guys need MORE experience in a few other areas if you're this hung up over a rider pulling up to you in your lane at a light! It is both legal and safe, hands down. If you can't handle it, most likely you're the lacking rider who needs to be "instructed".
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Funny thing: Many of us "stuck up" riders have been on the street for decades (plural) and have learnt, the hard way, what is safe and what is not. We don't like it when someone else, who generally has a fraction of our years and Kilometres of experience, presumes to act in a way that impacts our perception of what is safe. It isn't being antisocial.
At one time, in the distant and dusty past, there was a presumption of brotherhood amongst riders. That is largely no more, in no small part because riders have come to expect that any and all foibles exhibited by motorcyclists should be written off, because of "the brotherhood of bikers."
At one time, in the distant and dusty past, there was a presumption of brotherhood amongst riders. That is largely no more, in no small part because riders have come to expect that any and all foibles exhibited by motorcyclists should be written off, because of "the brotherhood of bikers."
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black06r6
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alaywa
Banned
Listen buddy, sharing a lane is perfectly legal! Period! If this clown kicked over another guy's bike then he has committed a criminal offence. Period. That's not cool or justified in any way! It's not about respect! If there is room in a lane, then it is legal. It is done between cars at right turns and IT IS LEGAL. Check the HTA, if there is room in a multilane situation for (lines) of vehicles (not lanes), it is allowed. That's why in wide lanes, or where there is room, vehicles can pass (IN THE SAME LANE), as often seen in right hand turn situations!
YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO DAMAGE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY PULLED UP TO YOU IN THE SAME LANE. END OF.
If anyone damages another vehicle like that, then grab the plate and absolutely screw his insurance! I would make sure that rider never rode again! What kind of crusader ego do you have to have to kick over another rider's bike?!?! That's disgusting. Some of you out there either talk trash or are trash.
Ding ding winner.
Believe it or not some of us old farts don't ride a bike for the "social touchy stuff".
alaywa
Banned
Let me be frank...I have a decade plus experience, in multiple countries, on multiple machines, in multiple social biking cultures. I am aware this biking culture has few veterans and many inexperienced riders...but at the same time I do not share your jaded attitude in the slightest. In fact I am glad my experience allows me to enjoy the benefits of this riding culture and not be scared off by it's short comings. To each their own, and if you don't want anyone in your own lane, try telling them:
"sorry, and please don't take this the wrong way, but I don't feel confortable riding in the lane with you. It's not you, it's me, sorry. Have a nice ride."
That might serve you better. Maybe even make a little laminated card in big font for those riders with ear phones. It will save all the moaning, to no effect, in the forum.
Fact is, you may have become jaded but the rest of out there have not. You truly are in a minority. This "dusty past" you speak of is just your dusty memory. The brotherhood spirit is alive and well....why else do you figure there are so many rides and meets? I don't see random cars meeting twice a week to go on 8 hour drives in big circles for the hell of it!!!! I still haven't found a GTA car forum. Cars don't pull up to each other, smile and have little chats. People don't randomly stop kia owners to ask them how many ccs they have, or what top speed they got to. Quite simply there IS a social culture around bikes, and quite simply it requires some "experience" and or training to deal with it.
By the way I have ridden with youthful 70 year olds before, who didn't seem to have as dusty a memory as you. I have been approached by 60 year old Pakistanis in Canadian Tire parking lots to have 30 min chats about the 125 they had back in Karachi and all their mountain road riding they have done, and I see the glow their faces as they tour my bike. Funny I don't remember yelling at them to get out of my parking space! I for one feel richer for the experience.
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Modeboy
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polo
Well-known member
I appreciate your experience, but I see it as you've made those mistakes so I may learn from them, and won't have to commit them too.
And you're indifference is indeed being asocial, and there is a camaraderie. For example, I generally don't interrupt the guys at tims, but one time my bike wouldn't start, and each one was all too eager to push me to push start my bike. Even the guy that was bragging about the stickers he just slapped on that literally said BOSS to make it look "BOSS".
And after all, isn't that why this forum exists? To help us all become better at what we're passionate about?
By the way, that's a super cool ER-6N you got there. My favorite color scheme is the Silver with red frame...
And I was one of the 5 founding members of a riding group that ran for a goodly number of years and reached more than 200 members, before politics caused an implosion. I tried to help organize a protest against outlandishly high insurance premiums, for new riders. You know who showed up? A few guys, who had been riding for years, and who wanted to help out the newbies; not a whole lot of newbies.
What you refer to as 'jaded' is, to me, 'educated.' I still have a goodly number of friends, who ride. I simply don't do the "we're all brothers" thing anymore. To me there are far more who don't get what that 'brotherhood' is a two-way street.
And you'll hear about those mistakes and successes, in person or on one or on the various forums I take part in. I simply don't go out of my way, anymore, as that seems to be a great way to get slapped down. As they say, "No good deed goes unpunished."
I would have liked either the black with red frame like the Ninja 650 got, one year, or the orange and black to complete the 'fruit salad' with my hi-viz Aerostich, but couldn't find either. I got a fairly good deal on the blue.
Holmes
Well-known member
Bravo sir!
alaywa
Banned
You sound like you have been to war or something!
No, I sound like someone who has tried to help people out, who neither want to do any work themselves, nor appreciate the work that others do for them. Now I work for myself, and for select causes
wow.. i dont have the time or energy to read 5 pages of this non-sense.. but if you see me at a light please do feel free to come up beside me, say hello.. chat about the weather we're having.. whatever you like. DO NOT pull up beside me if your hollyer then thow on a harley and are just going to give stern looks for being on a sport bike. (not all cruisers or even all harleys excluded.. just those ********* that will role up, then act like they're too good to talk to you.
as for continuing to ride with me.. feel free, but not directly beside me, give me my lane to avoid pot holes, ect, but stay as close behind my rear wheel as you like.
as for continuing to ride with me.. feel free, but not directly beside me, give me my lane to avoid pot holes, ect, but stay as close behind my rear wheel as you like.
No, I sound like someone who has tried to help people out, who neither want to do any work themselves, nor appreciate the work that others do for them. Now I work for myself, and for select causes
I call BS---you're still a mod on GTAM..
I call BS---you're still a mod on GTAM..
... who spends 80% of his time in one sub-forum
planethax
Member
A new riders take ....................
Well I have never had another rider come up beside me yet (sharing lane that is) but as long as I have my space it wouldn't bother me, I like to chat.
As for coming up beside others, being in a staggered position, I wouldn't come up right beside, but stay back a bit and just close enough to look over the other bike and if I am spoken too edge up slowly but still in second position.
When light is green I hold back and let the original rider go first.
MHO two bikes in one lane make you more visible, One bike in each lane just may annoy a fourwheeler or bigger to do rash and something stupid.
The reason I ride and cruise the forums is because I like to chat and meet like minded people.
There is always judgment calls though, road surface/weather/traffic/ your feel of the other ride(s) around you etc etc.
I have never been looked down on or kicked or anything stupid as of yet ( though when people see me I do not think that is their first reaction LOL )
Well I have never had another rider come up beside me yet (sharing lane that is) but as long as I have my space it wouldn't bother me, I like to chat.
As for coming up beside others, being in a staggered position, I wouldn't come up right beside, but stay back a bit and just close enough to look over the other bike and if I am spoken too edge up slowly but still in second position.
When light is green I hold back and let the original rider go first.
MHO two bikes in one lane make you more visible, One bike in each lane just may annoy a fourwheeler or bigger to do rash and something stupid.
The reason I ride and cruise the forums is because I like to chat and meet like minded people.
There is always judgment calls though, road surface/weather/traffic/ your feel of the other ride(s) around you etc etc.
I have never been looked down on or kicked or anything stupid as of yet ( though when people see me I do not think that is their first reaction LOL )
Persian-Rice
Active member
I agree with not sharing a lane while in motion, It's dangerous. On the other hand, even though I'm not guilty of it, I don't care if a motorcyclist wants to filter around me or check my bike out at a stop.
I think you're getting built up over small/none issue. I understand the frustration, but if you treat people with negativity and aggressively on the road, the other edge of that sword will eventually come right back at you.
I think you're getting built up over small/none issue. I understand the frustration, but if you treat people with negativity and aggressively on the road, the other edge of that sword will eventually come right back at you.
