Ghomeshigate
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Anyone who provides a blowjob to smooth transition to exit "might" be more believable if assailant was unknown to the victim and scary intimidating. JG doesn't fall into that category (unless that was the day he chose to commit murder for sex) and furthermore would have a lot to lose. I don't by the bj/exit angle. This is so exiting, I can barely stand it.
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Here's my take on the situation....
-After a single accusation raised media stink, all of a sudden a whole bunch wanted their 15min in the media
-Lucy DeCoutere waited for over a decade to give us her tale of woe.. Since the alleged incident happened, she still went out on 2 more dates with the guy
-This makes me suspect many of the accounts that cropped up in the media.
-Now, let's assume that they are all correct, or that some of them are telling the truth and he did it.. It's their MORAL RESPONSIBILITY to report him to the authorities in order to prevent the victimization of other women.
-Even in the mid-90's when I became sexually a active, hormonal teenager, I was extra paranoid about sex assault allegations to the point of immediately ending the entire date at the first sign of verbal or gesticulative resistance to my sexual advances (ok, I'll take you home now). At the time, sex assault/harassment allegations were being taken so seriously that many innocent men ended up being victimized by the system. There's no way they could claim that their accusations would not have been taken seriously.
-Therefore, we either have a whole bunch of liars coming out of the woodwork or a bunch of people who severely failed in the moral responsibility department and allowed for a violent criminal to victimize other people
-After a single accusation raised media stink, all of a sudden a whole bunch wanted their 15min in the media
-Lucy DeCoutere waited for over a decade to give us her tale of woe.. Since the alleged incident happened, she still went out on 2 more dates with the guy
-This makes me suspect many of the accounts that cropped up in the media.
-Now, let's assume that they are all correct, or that some of them are telling the truth and he did it.. It's their MORAL RESPONSIBILITY to report him to the authorities in order to prevent the victimization of other women.
-Even in the mid-90's when I became sexually a active, hormonal teenager, I was extra paranoid about sex assault allegations to the point of immediately ending the entire date at the first sign of verbal or gesticulative resistance to my sexual advances (ok, I'll take you home now). At the time, sex assault/harassment allegations were being taken so seriously that many innocent men ended up being victimized by the system. There's no way they could claim that their accusations would not have been taken seriously.
-Therefore, we either have a whole bunch of liars coming out of the woodwork or a bunch of people who severely failed in the moral responsibility department and allowed for a violent criminal to victimize other people
Sativa Quemador
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i think the major difference in your examples is that the victims were men, and it would be considered " gay " to be raped by a man.
before anyone freaks about what i wrote, this is how I think male rape victims must think.
as far as your question. do i believe james and saville are guilty ? yep.
and so far, the only one story i believe so far is JG. he has admitted to everything so far, hes not hiding what he did. ( i dont thik its cool, though )
if a woman is assaulted, she should go to police aSAP. NOT 10+ years later.
as i said before, its cases like this that frighten me. what if an old Ex of mine or yours starts calling rape 10 years after ?????
once that word "raPE" gets out, guilty or not your life is ruined.
You think a man worried about being labeled 'gay' is more of a stigma than a woman being labeled 'Raped' 'Abused' or how about as has already happened with the accusers called 'slut' 'golddigger' 'whore' 'fame seeker' 'Liar' the list goes on. You don't think that is a deterrent to coming forward. Years of having to re live your you experience as you get asked stupid questions like 'what did you have on. was it low cut?'. Very few victims of abuse and rape come forward when it happens. That goes for any sex male or female. But you assert that males have more shame so their waiting years to report is ok. Do you not see the problem with this line of thought?
None of what JG wrote was confessing his deepest secrets. That was a carefully worded PR move from Navigator to reframe the narrative to be about a corporation punishing you for what you do in your private bed room. The star was forced to run their story once he pretty much called them out. All of the language used was to gain sympathy and cast these girls as a Crazy ex girlfriend bent out on a smear campaign. He also brought up his dead dad and how he is persecuted for consensual kink. He used the medium of facebook for a very good reason. its calculated to sway the conversation. Who doesn't like a good story of a little guy being picked on by the corporation. He didn't count on 9 of his former victims having the courage to come forward and finally put a stop to something that should have been reported years ago. These women I believe are coming out because of guilt. They were too ashamed and didn't come forward to the police which allowed more victims over the years. Thats a heavy burden to bear if your sitting there knowing you could have prevented this happening to others.
Lots of people SHOULD do lots of things in life. See above for reasons it doesn't always happen like it should.
Your worried for nothing. The percentage of false rape and abuse reporting is so low that it really isn't a concern if your a decent person and don't abuse anyone. Being a generally decent person really helps take the percentages down a few pegs. I personally would never worry about that because everyone knows it wouldn't be true. There would be no evidence. I usually don't put myself in situations where say 9 girls might come forward and say I abused them. All with the same story or really similar. A star drunk on power. a person of influence for many young girls who could use his fame and charm to bring them in. I've met JG before and he was a complete ***. I truly think most men believe JG because they don't want it to be true. The more times rape charges are revealed to be false the safer of this boogie man fake rape charge we feel. I know it I used think 'Oh what it this happens to me' until I realized I was worrying about something that has such a tiny percentage of happening if your a decent person. I realized that I was dismissing someones account because I didn't want it to be true not that the evidence didn't point that way.
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People have evolved understandings a decade later. What about a 31yr old guy in a totally consensual relationship with 18yr old girl? As years pass she might begin to doubt herself. She looked up to him and enjoyed all the perks of being with him and he liked her for her youth. Years down the road those perks were no big prize after all and all she can think about is how he conned her out of her pants/youth. Plenty of blame to go around.
AL3RT
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Bull's eye!
Dresden
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Prude.
Bingo.
Jokes aside - this is a tough one. Clearly JG gets off on being an aggressor. I know plenty of women that get off on being dominated... I'm sure a few of my ex's will use things against me if they every got the chance... Scary.
Sativa Quemador
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sounds like to me, you decided his guilt already...
you said you arent worried. But what about someone who has some weird fetish. ?
also, what if some of the women from your or someone else's past just decides one day that they felt they were raped or abused ?
im sorry that i will never fully understand what makes a victim wait so long..
I think the victims of rape are the ones who are at the station tyhe next morning.
and the ones that wait years are the ones looking for sympathy for some unknown reason, be it mental, or drug issues,
thats what i think, and nothing will ever change that. I feel bad for real victims.
AL3RT
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What if someone felt that the accused's life or career would be destroyed, and didn't want to feel partially responsible for that?
I've never been part of the free sex without attachments crowd. I need some emotional attachment and genuine feelings of interest, before proceeding. Wouldn't there be some psychological issues and feelings to work out, before bringing any kind of accusation into the public? It's not just a Moral decision, as everyone who's involved, will have their life changed, and not necessarily in a good way, from an event.
Riceburner
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Tell that to the innocently accused....
AL3RT
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Sexist? No, I love women and respect them. However, I have also seen those types who after having a consensual fun will turn against us, men, and will claim how they were raped by us, witnessed us cheating on our significant others, or even fake a pregnancy first hand. Well, those kinds we simply deal with. And so will JG.
But since you even don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" - you won't understand that.
And what should we tell rape victims that don't come forward for fear of people dismissing their stories as smears against a successful person. Just look at the history of victims of abuse and sexual abuse are treated in the media. Look at Rehtaeh Parsons. There was evidence of her attack and the way she was bullied and smeared the poor girl ended up taking her own life. That is how victims that come forward are treated when its a beloved Radio personality, coach (sandusky), Priest, athlete.
I'd rather air on the side of treating the majority (Rape and abuse victims) as possibly truthful over the vast minority (falsely accused). 9 Women vs 1 mans testimony. there is no money and fame to be had here. Its a sad situation all around. Too many similar stories from women who hadn't heard the others accounts. The courts will decide legality but this is the court of public opinion and I think Gomeshi is a serial abuser.
You sure hang out with some interesting people. So how many of your friends have been charged with Rape because of false charges? How many had 9 women come forward with 'fake' abuse?
Grammar attacks. nice.
We will have to agree to disagree. I think it should be reported the next morning but I also understand why that doesn't happen.
