If you did that it would probably be fine. Garage would get decently snowy though. I would run a co sensor in the garage just to make sure you dont dose yourself when refueling.
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-Maverick-
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At this point it's just a matter of interest. It will be going in a dedicated shed. I'm not phased by seeing engines running indoors. The funny (or not so funny) thing is each garage door has a 3" ID rubber hose that fits over a roughly 2" OD exhaust tip on each car. So there's a lot of car exhaust not reaching outside the door. At least in this experiment the ID flex pipe matches the OD generator exhaust. Theoretically, there should be no residual CO.
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
In theory it works….
You willing to endanger your family for a theory? Personally I’d build a scrap wood / whatever you have and leave it outside. Hell even on the side of the house under your soffits if you want to protect it.
You willing to endanger your family for a theory? Personally I’d build a scrap wood / whatever you have and leave it outside. Hell even on the side of the house under your soffits if you want to protect it.
Some don't die. If they catch you earlier enough you are left semi brain dead.
It's one thing to have a garage with a number of cars being worked on to have temporary exhausts. The staff would notice the build up but one person working alone could doze off and never wake up.
The reason I don’t is because I like to run it a couple times a year. I suppose I could just leave it empty and add just enough fuel to run a few minutes then run dry. Siphoning is a 5min job though.
I always have lots of fuel on site so I’m fine just leaving it on gasoline.
I don't know if this is still a problem but someone years ago had a gennie motor fail and they wouldn't honour the warranty because of a modification. The owner had put on a larger gas tank.
The logic was that the operator was to check the oil every time the tank got filled and by putting on the larger fuel tank the oil checks weren't being done by the book.
Hondas have an oil alert so it wasn't a Honda. Possibly B&S.
The logic was that the operator was to check the oil every time the tank got filled and by putting on the larger fuel tank the oil checks weren't being done by the book.
Hondas have an oil alert so it wasn't a Honda. Possibly B&S.
-Maverick-
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This. I don't like tripping over things in my garage, but I bought the gas only generator because it was on sale for $500 less than the hybrid. If I build a generator house, I know I'll set it in there and forget about it..then go to use it and the carburetor will be gummed by today's corn fuel. I'm sick of taking carburetors apart. Even with fuel stabilizer or seafoam in the tank, you can clearly see the difference in colour of gas after three months in the gas available today. So I actually want to trip over it in my garage so that I don't forget to run it dry a few times per year.
I also want the least intrusive method of hooking it up. What are your thoughts on these through the wall kits?
Reliance Controls Portable Generator Through-The-Wall Kit | Home Hardware
Get the RELIANCE CONTROLS Portable Generator Through-The-Wall Kit at your local Home Hardware store. View online and pick-up in store.
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
Don't do that.
Use ethanol free fuel.
Which one did you buy @-Maverick- in the end?
As for those through the wall units...seems simple enough. For me the issue would be that if I punched a hole through the wall in the basement...I'd need another one on the main floor as there's no simple passthrough from the basement to the main floor (unless I drill through the floor into the cabinet floors.
As for those through the wall units...seems simple enough. For me the issue would be that if I punched a hole through the wall in the basement...I'd need another one on the main floor as there's no simple passthrough from the basement to the main floor (unless I drill through the floor into the cabinet floors.
Garage / auto repair facility, I presume?
I grew up in the business, I'm familiar with the big rubber hoses through the little vent holes in the roll-ups.
But it's a way different situation. Those bay doors go up and down through the day to exchange air, and nobody is sleeping (or, well, shouldn't be LOL) like might happen in a house when you start your generator, the house gets all warm and cozy again, and you fall asleep on the couch or whatever.
The cars are also not running non stop usually.
To the contrary, if 1 or 2 guys suddenly get a headache and/or sleepy, well, everyones going to catch on there's a problem and probably turn off the cars and open the doors to exchange the air.
Yeah, there's a 99% chance that a flex pipe vented outside is going to be fine. Until one day when after running for 3 or 4 hours the exhaust loses a gasket or something, or the flex pipe vibrates off/out/breaks/whatever and next thing you know CO is filling your garage, and then your house.
If a person were worried about forgetting to take care of things.... This could be a very dangerous situation.
Through the wall unit that required extension cords to everything doesnt seem simple to me. An external twist lock to a transfer switch seems simpler. Safe, whole house powered up, only one wire.This. I don't like tripping over things in my garage, but I bought the gas only generator because it was on sale for $500 less than the hybrid. If I build a generator house, I know I'll set it in there and forget about it..then go to use it and the carburetor will be gummed by today's corn fuel. I'm sick of taking carburetors apart. Even with fuel stabilizer or seafoam in the tank, you can clearly see the difference in colour of gas after three months in the gas available today. So I actually want to trip over it in my garage so that I don't forget to run it dry a few times per year.
I also want the least intrusive method of hooking it up. What are your thoughts on these through the wall kits?
Reliance Controls Portable Generator Through-The-Wall Kit | Home Hardware
Get the RELIANCE CONTROLS Portable Generator Through-The-Wall Kit at your local Home Hardware store. View online and pick-up in store.www.homehardware.ca
The guy formerly known as Mladin.
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I had transfer switch before the panel but that requires hydro involvement or super dodgy, super illegal work. Splitting some circuits off to a sub panel and putting the transfer switch between the main panel and sub panel doesnt require a utility disconnect.
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-Maverick-
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I got this one. With $60 in CT money if you spend > $250 the savings turned out to be $360 as it's on sale. The hybrid is $550 more. Make sure you click on the picture to see the one you're actually buying as Canadian Tire is showing the dual fuel in the picture. This is very misleading on their part:
As for the through the wall kit, the lowest price I found was $99 at Home Hardware. The next lowest price I found was $136 at Home Depot. $149 at Canadian Tire. See if Home Depot or Canadian Tire do price matching perhaps?
Reliance Controls Portable Generator Through-The-Wall Kit | Home Hardware
Get the RELIANCE CONTROLS Portable Generator Through-The-Wall Kit at your local Home Hardware store. View online and pick-up in store.
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The caveats for this kit are to make sure your generator has a four prong outlet and you have a four prong cord or you'll need to buy a L5-30P to L14-30R adaptor if your generator only has a three prong. Pay attention to the maximum wattage of the cords that you buy. Also, some people made the mistake of mounting the kit too low and had trouble attaching the cord. So mount it higher than 20" The instruction video is here:
I have a gas fireplace so I only need one kit. It kept the whole house warm during the last power outage. I have four oil heaters as well that I use in the garage should power and natural gas be cut off at the same time which is not likely to ever happen. What I like about the through the wall kit is should the generator throw a voltage spike, it won't nuke the sensitive circuit boards in my furnace and water heater which could be an expensive fix.
I found these little LED lanterns to be very helpful during the last two power outages. You can buy a two pack or four pack:
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Thanks for that. CT has those lanterns for like $8 once in a while. They had a 2 pack for $20 last week.
I set up the big Coleman lantern in the living room and Ridgid radio on 18V.
Need to find that Ridgid 18V big lamp but mofo is $160 at HD.
I set up the big Coleman lantern in the living room and Ridgid radio on 18V.
Need to find that Ridgid 18V big lamp but mofo is $160 at HD.
Mad Mike
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There should be no problem running it inside if tend to the 2 safety issues: explosion and carbon monoxide.
Explosion: Where there is gasoline and a confined space, you have to be concerned about explosion. In a boat or van, an auxiliary fan (blower) vacuums away volatile gas/air mixture before (and if smart) after the engine runs. This minimizes the chance the surrounding gas/air mixture doesn't ignite and explode. Probably not that big of a concern in a full size garage, definitely a concern in a small shed or gennie doghouse as gasoline/air mix settles low (where the gennie is sitting). Lots of ventilation does the trick.
CO Gas: This is only a problem of people or animals are present. A gennie will fill a garage with CO in no time, keep the doors open or run a flex exhaust extension to the outside (that's how gensets are installed inside a van or boat.)
I've only gensets installed in boats, but I'm sure it's sensible doing the same in an enclosed shelter.
manufacturers have to make up for most peoples carelessness (stupidity?) accidental or otherwise, by adding CO2 shutdowns built in to their generators, which is sure to drive prices up further as features are added.
Champion and Honda have em, I am sure others too....
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Champion and Honda have em, I am sure others too....
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first a low oil/ no oil shutdown , which has probably saved more engines than any other feature. And now a CO2 detector because 'we' are just too f'in stupid.
Gen sets in motorcoaches and boats are a whole different kettle of fish than putting one in the house. Build a dog house, put gen in there , run wire into the house.
Gen sets in motorcoaches and boats are a whole different kettle of fish than putting one in the house. Build a dog house, put gen in there , run wire into the house.
And given how lengthy power outages are a (maybe) once a year thing here, I even go with the KISS method on that - I just run my 50' cord from the generator in the backyard through our living room window and close the window on it (seals about 80%, good enough), or if I'm using the EV's for power instead, I run my 100' cord from the driveway, under the garage door, and then through the door into the house, and just close the door on it. The seal on the bottom lets it through fine.
Power bar in the living room and away we go.
How are you using the EV for power?
Inverter off 12v battery. Ev recharges 12v from hv battery automatically.
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