Elk > Deer
Elk is probably my favourite game meat. Bison would be a close second but I've only ever had domestic. First Elk hunt for almost 20 years in the Soo and I didn't get any tags
Fishing is animal torture
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Elk > Deer
Elk is probably my favourite game meat. Bison would be a close second but I've only ever had domestic. First Elk hunt for almost 20 years in the Soo and I didn't get any tags
daught
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+1 I would pay a lot of money for a small mountain river wild trout. Haven't fished since I was a kid. I used to catch those all the time. Delicious. Maybe I should get back in to it.
rmemedic
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Elk > Deer
Elk is probably my favourite game meat. Bison would be a close second but I've only ever had domestic. First Elk hunt for almost 20 years in the Soo and I didn't get any tags
They had a cull of 200 elk this fall out at CFB suffield. The animals out there on base are somewhat used to people so it would be good for a first hunt.
rbjeepthing
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Last time I fillet a fish I didn't notice any nerve endings in its lips actually I just chopped its head off and went about my business.
Better tasting?
Depends on the woman.
Venom01
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Elk > Deer
Elk is probably my favourite game meat. Bison would be a close second but I've only ever had domestic. First Elk hunt for almost 20 years in the Soo and I didn't get any tags
Just got some wild caribou meat from my friend who took 2 recently. Best game meat I've had yet!
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I am always curious as to whether with sashimi the animals are actually dead and they are just showing a typical postmortem spasms that occur after the spinal cord has been severed. I killed and cleaned the turkeys for my families thanksgiving this year myself and one turkey closed his eyes nearly a full minute after his head had been cut off. Best tasting turkey dinner I ever had and completely guilt free because the turkeys were free range raised and had a good life and peaceful death.
knucklesound
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There are many, many examples of VERY healthy vegetarians and vegans.
I hear even some UFC/MMA fighters are vegan or veg. Mac Danzig, Jake Shields, Nate Diaz...probably many more if i was to search a bit. There are also vegan body builders, and many cultures throughout history have lived long, healthy lives without eating meat. Plenty of info on the 'history of vegetarianism' and the benefits of a plant-based diet on the internets if you are interested.
I have vegan friends who have raised their child with no meat for his entire life and he is the largest boy in his class (12 yrs old now) and incredibly smart and mature for his age.
B12 is the only vitamin or mineral that i know of that the body needs but can't be reliably supplied by a whole-food plant-based vegan diet...and usually only long-term raw vegans or pregnant women need to really be concerned about it since many vegan foods are fortified (soy milk, ect) There are tons of great-tasting meat alternatives available now too... plus/// meat-eaters also suffer B12 deficiencies so it isn't really a 'vegan only' problem.
As for fishing---I don't think anyone would argue that a group of guys going out on a boat and catching a few fish is in the same universe as the commercial fishing trawler scooping half the ocean up behind it or, that a guy out hunting a deer is the same as a factory full of pigs in crates.
To me, the problem is that the mentality behind hunting/fishing can be potentially desensitizing, and the act inflicts suffering/killing that is not always necessary. I think there are a large number of complicated and not-so complicated reasons why some like to hunt/fish (ancestral/camaraderie/meditative/fiscal or environment needs/psychological, etc) while others don't. My own thought is 'i don't NEED to cause suffering/killing, so why would i?'
That said- i think it is possible to dislike the action, but still respect the person. . I don't think humans want to live by the 'we are all animals/strong overpower and take from the weak' philosophy for the most part. Thankfully we are leaning towards more of a kinship-based community that has evolved and expanded over history.
I have been veg/vegan for over 25 years. I obviously don't expect everyone to come to all the same conclusions i have, and i definitely don't consider myself better than someone else...we all do what we think is right and live the only way we know how (or can).
One problem i see though- i don't think many people have a true picture of how truly horrible animals are treated in modern factory farms.
Our idyllic childhood image of what a farm is quite often drastically different in real life. Especially when you are talking about large volume suppliers. Family-based farms replaced by large production facilities. Other than the fact we are all 'animals', there is very little 'natural' in this. Hopefully this doesn't make me sound like a tinfoil hat wearer, but most of it is run by large fortune500 companies reaping huge profits- from the drugs, to the advertisers, to the retailers (and many in between). Most of us work hard and when we get home we don't want to think about this ****.
It would be great if we could all be making truthful, informed choices about food based on what we want to support- and what we don't when going shopping at the supermarket. I really don't think most people are cruel or indifferent to animal (or human) suffering at all. We do what we are brought up doing...and what we have learned.
As individuals, we all live unique lives with specifically personal experiences and have a genetic-given capacity to process these experiences- that then determines our actions as we live our lives....I grew up with pets, used to have band rehearsals at a buddies farm, and had several experiences through my life that led me to my decision. I didn't grow up in your body with your brain, and experience the same things as you (if i did- i'd do exactly what you do)...To expect everyone to be the exact same as me would be retarded (and pretty boring).
There is a great group called Mercy For Animals who are like a sane version of PETA if anyone is interested. The have exposed a ****-load of animal abuse at some of the largest suppliers.
Sorry for the novel. Too much caffeine at work tonight.
On that note---Finding vegan motorcycle gear is really ****ing tough.
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The words "vegan" and "motorcycle" just don't go together.
+1...agree....very well put.
Make paragraphs...I got a headache trying to read the wall-o-text
My ex is vegan and rides. Thankfully not one of the in your face vegans either. She just wears denim/kevlar everything. Only problem she had was riding footwear.
My ex is vegan and rides. Thankfully not one of the in your face vegans either. She just wears denim/kevlar everything. Only problem she had was riding footwear.
Nor do the terms "Vegan Lifesytle" and "A life worth living"
I've never seen a healthy looking vegan. They all look like vampires in training. No color, dead lifeless eyes.
ABadjusterrider_5
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I've only recently joined the hunting community. I currently hunt geese and duck. Eventually I would like to move up to deer and bear. I don't have the rifle for it or the clothing. I am of the opinion that I would rather kill what I eat than buy it from the grocery store.
Use a bow for all
my hunting bow was about $700 and I've taken a couple deer and some wild bird. I've met some guys that claim they've taken bear with a crossbow.
rmemedic
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Use a bow for all
I want to do bear with my compound bow, see it all the time on those hunting shows. I'd like to take a moose with a bow, but since I want to ensure a kill I'll end up rifle hunting for that.
I only bow hunt for deer, simply because that's how I like to do it. My dad is on my case about getting a crossbow since it's so much easier but that's precisely why I don't.
I bow hunt cause I'm a bit of a purist. I have a pretty big rifle collection but it's mostly just that, a collection. The only 2 rifles I use for hunting I use for hunting cause, like you, I don't trust myself to get a quick kill with the bow.
Right now I use a Redhead compound with some great arrows I got gifted. There's 8 of them, titanium shaft, steel core, broad razor head, about 400 grains I think
Right now I use a Redhead compound with some great arrows I got gifted. There's 8 of them, titanium shaft, steel core, broad razor head, about 400 grains I think
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Not being keen on the idea of hunting or fishing doesn't necessarily make one a vegan/vegetarian though. It just might mean it's not your thing, or you find the idea squeamish and would rather not see how your meat gets to your plate. Personally, I enjoy fishing and would one day like to try hunting (gotta put that PAL to use somehow).
As for vegans....whatever one wants to do to their body is their choice. I just don't like it when some get overly preachy about anyone else's choice to eat meat, and equate it with murder. Sure, promote better standards and practices when it comes to the meat industry and the humane treatment of animals, blahblahblah. But spare me the hyperbolic statements please and go back to your Morrissey albums.
As for vegans....whatever one wants to do to their body is their choice. I just don't like it when some get overly preachy about anyone else's choice to eat meat, and equate it with murder. Sure, promote better standards and practices when it comes to the meat industry and the humane treatment of animals, blahblahblah. But spare me the hyperbolic statements please and go back to your Morrissey albums.
