Feds plan to melt ICE

[nobbie48]

Here are the rules. As it is a motorized vehicle, it is not allowed in bike lanes. I was surprised they may you have 1M in liability to operate one. No wonder they aren't common, that alone basically kills cost-effectiveness.

Low-speed vehicle pilot program

Learn about using a low-speed vehicle in Ontario.

www.ontario.ca

The one I saw was on Tomken, a 60 KPH road therefor illegal.

It's good to see the insurance and registration part (Below) has been recognized. Now make that applicable to the e-bikes as well.

Insurance and registration
In addition to meeting the requirements under the pilot program, low-speed vehicles must have insurance and be registered through ServiceOntario.

To register a low-speed vehicle, you will need:

• a completed and signed Low-Speed Vehicle Registration Declaration form. The form states that you acknowledge:
  • the low-speed vehicle pilot program
  • the operating requirements under the pilot program
  • that low-speed vehicles have fewer safety features than a passenger car
• proof of insurance that meets the requirements of the Compulsory Automobile Insurance Actand that provides coverage for:
  • liability (minimum $1 million)
  • medical, rehabilitation and attendant care benefits (minimum $65,000) for non-catastrophic injuries and $1 million for catastrophic injuries

Take the form and proof of insurance with you to any ServiceOntario location to register your low-speed vehicle.

The stupid part of this is that the pilot project is provincial but can be overridden by municipalities. Oh goodie, more confusion for the police if they ever decide to clamp down

 

[Baggsy]

Some of the components involved in electric vehicle batteries are toxic; does anyone have a link to the Federal Government's current plan for waste management of electric vehicle batteries?
Are we going to mine minerals for batteries in areas where the indigenous people object to them being mined?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/dead-ev-batteries-environmental-cost-critical-minerals-1.7042384

 

[Brian P]

Once there's enough EVs reaching end-of-life, they'll be recycled to recover all that stuff. The beginnings of that are already in place.

An EV battery contains a higher concentration of all those critical minerals than any of the raw ores used to make it in the first place.

 

[MacDoc]

Lead is toxic and 95% of lead acid batteries are recycled.
The materials in EV batteries are far more valuable.

End of EV life for a battery is not the end of its useful life for other purposes.

EV batteries can be repurposed as grid storage to reduce battery supply chain impacts: report

Doing so, however, would require better regulation around accessing battery management systems, as well as flexible liability frameworks for repurposed batteries, according to the report’s author.

www.utilitydive.com

What happens to old EV batteries in Australia?


EV battery metals like aluminium, graphite, nickel, copper, cobalt, steel, and lithium can be recycled. Australia's biggest battery recycler, Ecobatt, recovers around 90% of all battery materials. EV batteries can also be repurposed for vehicle, home and industrial power storage.

ActewAGL evHub | Can you recycle your electric car battery?

Can electric car batteries be recycled? You’ll be pleased to know that yes, they can be, and car manufacturers are constantly developing

electricvehiclehub.com.au

 

[Baggsy]

Once there's enough EVs reaching end-of-life, they'll be recycled to recover all that stuff. The beginnings of that are already in place.

An EV battery contains a higher concentration of all those critical minerals than any of the raw ores used to make it in the first place.

Yeah, no! When has an unregulated industry done the right thing? Even when normal people started masking up with disposables, we started finding masks blowing in the breeze and lying on the ground, instead of in hazardous waste disposal containers.

 

[Brian P]

Sure, some regulation may be warranted to push this in the right direction. (Meh)

Here's some companies doing it:

Lithium-ion Battery Recycling - Li-ion Battery Resource Recovery | Li-Cycle

Li-Cycle's lithium-ion battery recycling - resources recovery process for critical materials. The battery recycling technology recovers ≥95% of all critical materials found in lithium-ion batteries.

li-cycle.com

RecycLiCo Battery Materials

A hydrometallurgical solution that recycles-upcycles up to 99% of li-ion cathode waste

recyclico.com

For more information:

EV Battery Recycling | Electric Autonomy Canada

News, information and insights regarding the recycling of batteries used in electric vehicles. This includes companies that recycle EV batteries, North American strategies for developing EV battery recycling hubs, and the work of automotive manufacturers to ensure batteries from electric...

electricautonomy.ca

 

[bigpoppa]

I was told by many older folks that we'd have hovercrafts or jetsons flying cars by now.

 

[MacDoc]

Well sort of

 

[crankcall]

I was told by many older folks that we'd have hovercrafts or jetsons flying cars by now.

It’s an interesting segway, Flash Gordon had a laser gun in the 1930s ? And star trek had phasers , and now police carry Tasers ?
So self driving cars , it’s sort of coming , and hover craft exist but not road legal .
I’m still shocked a stereo that would have cost 2k when I was in high school is the standard radio now
And if you could build a 350hp engine It would cost 3-4K and be super unreliable. Now the grocery getter suv has 350hp and gets good mileage.
Times change


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[nobbie48]

The number of large cities in our country however compared to small rural areas is the problem. Again, I'm a realist - I know that our realities in the GTA are a lot different than someone living in, say, Miranda Quebec, Red Deer AB, Dryden....Kapuskasing. I could go on and on. Even taking into consideration that not everyone has long commutes and cars that will inevitably have bigger/better range batteries by then, in a lot of circumstances it's still going to be a challenge if fast charging infrastructure continues to be the ****-show that it is today.

My neighbour, a fleet manager mentioned a competitor of his company buying a fleet of a couple dozen EV heavy trucks and then wanting to put in an equal number of chargers. The local utility wouldn't give them the power. Check first.

On the other hand when I drove a ten ton diesel forty years ago it was city delivery and I don't think I put 200 miles on it a day, most of it city where EV's shine because idle uses no fuel and low speed minimizes wind resistance. Quieter as well so no tinnitus. The downside is the triple price for the EV chassis. $300 K buys a lot of diesel.

One overnight charge would have it ready for the next day. Our other vehicles were gas.

 

[nobbie48]

It’s an interesting segway, Flash Gordon had a laser gun in the 1930s ? And star trek had phasers , and now police carry Tasers ?
So self driving cars , it’s sort of coming , and hover craft exist but not road legal .
I’m still shocked a stereo that would have cost 2k when I was in high school is the standard radio now
And if you could build a 350hp engine It would cost 3-4K and be super unreliable. Now the grocery getter suv has 350hp and gets good mileage.
Times change


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Cars are 3X as powerful. Drivers are 3X as bad.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Drivers are 30X as bad

Fixed that for you.

 

[Evoex]

It’s an interesting segway, Flash Gordon had a laser gun in the 1930s ? And star trek had phasers , and now police carry Tasers ?
So self driving cars , it’s sort of coming , and hover craft exist but not road legal .
I’m still shocked a stereo that would have cost 2k when I was in high school is the standard radio now
And if you could build a 350hp engine It would cost 3-4K and be super unreliable. Now the grocery getter suv has 350hp and gets good mileage.
Times change


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My dad used to tell me he didn't even see a calculator until 2nd year at U of T(70s), you'll note i said 'see', not 'use'.

His big surprise was having the computer shrink from the wall of a large room into a hand held cell phone.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

My dad used to tell me he didn't even see a calculator until 2nd year at U of T(70s), you'll note i said 'see', not 'use'.

His big surprise was having the computer shrink from the wall of a large room into a hand held cell phone.

I had one of these in grade school. No one else had seen one.

 

[nobbie48]

I had one of these in grade school. No one else had seen one.

In the early 1970's those were about $100. TI scientifics were $500 when they came out. Now you can buy a scientific for under $10.

 

[PrivatePilot]

I rememeber the hubub these classics generated when they started slipping quietly into high schools and getting covertly used during exams.

 

[timtune]

In high school I drove a mid 60s CJ5. I think it was in the same class - basic like a Beetle. Heater was an optional bolt on box under the dash, fuel tank was under the driver seat, 3speed manual. Uninsulated steel top, canvas doors and roof, no rear seat, vacuum operated wipers with backup hand cranks, 4 wheel drums.

I’d buy another.

If this is a contest does the hand crank (for starting) on my 1982 Lada Niva 4X4 win a prize? Also the russkie manual suggested filtering the brake fluid before reusing it.

 

[TK4]

The Horse Manure Problem of 1894
The 15 to 30 pounds of manure produced daily by each beast multiplied by the 150,000+ horses in New York city resulted in more than three million pounds of horse manure per day that somehow needed to be disposed of. That’s not to mention the daily 40,000 gallons of horse urine.
In other words, cities reeked. As Morris says, the “stench was omnipresent.” Here are some fun bits from his article:
Urban streets were minefields that needed to be navigated with the greatest care. “Crossing sweepers” stood on street corners; for a fee they would clear a path through the mire for pedestrians. Wet weather turned the streets into swamps and rivers of muck, but dry weather brought little improvement; the manure turned to dust, which was then whipped up by the wind, choking pedestrians and coating buildings.
. . . even when it had been removed from the streets the manure piled up faster than it could be disposed of . . . early in the century farmers were happy to pay good money for the manure, by the end of the 1800s stable owners had to pay to have it carted off. As a result of this glut . . . vacant lots in cities across America became piled high with manure; in New York these sometimes rose to forty and even sixty feet.
We need to remind ourselves that horse manure is an ideal breeding ground for flies, which spread disease. Morris reports that deadly outbreaks of typhoid and “infant diarrheal diseases can be traced to spikes in the fly population.”
Comparing fatalities associated with horse-related accidents in 1916 Chicago versus automobile accidents in 1997, he concludes that people were killed nearly seven times more often back in the good old days. The reasons for this are straightforward:
. . . horse-drawn vehicles have an engine with a mind of its own. The skittishness of horses added a dangerous level of unpredictability to nineteenth-century transportation. This was particularly true in a bustling urban environment, full of surprises that could shock and spook the animals. Horses often stampeded, but a more common danger came from horses kicking, biting, or trampling bystanders. Children were particularly at risk.
Falls, injuries, and maltreatment also took a toll on the horses themselves. Data cited by Morris indicates that, in 1880, more than 3 dozen dead horses were cleared from New York streets each day (nearly 15,000 a year).

 

[just-me]

My dad used to tell me he didn't even see a calculator until 2nd year at U of T(70s), you'll note i said 'see', not 'use'.

His big surprise was having the computer shrink from the wall of a large room into a hand held cell phone.

Umm, ok... we were taught in high school how to use slide rulers. I still have mine some where.
First calculator I bought for college cost me just over $120. About 3 weeks wages for a part time student. The one I used at work did more, did not need re-charging, cost just over $10.
Damn I feel old
As far as me buying a EV, nothing would do for me now. I only have a 100 amp service at the house and the closest charge station is about 75 km away.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Umm, ok... we were taught in high school how to use slide rulers. I still have mine some where.
First calculator I bought for college cost me just over $120. About 3 weeks wages for a part time student. The one I used at work did more, did not need re-charging, cost just over $10.
Damn I feel old
As far as me buying a EV, nothing would do for me now. I only have a 100 amp service at the house and the closest charge station is about 75 km away.

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30 a is lots for charging overnight 16 would do.

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