Feds plan to melt ICE

MacDoc said:
Getting rid of the 30-60 km daily ICE commutes in large cities and electifying them is the goal ...not an EV in every garage in the country.
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The number of large cities in our country however compared to small rural areas is the problem. Again, I'm a realist - I know that our realities in the GTA are a lot different than someone living in, say, Miranda Quebec, Red Deer AB, Dryden....Kapuskasing. I could go on and on. Even taking into consideration that not everyone has long commutes and cars that will inevitably have bigger/better range batteries by then, in a lot of circumstances it's still going to be a challenge if fast charging infrastructure continues to be the ****-show that it is today.
 
Baggsy said:
Get your wallets ready. About 25% of families won't be able to afford a car in a couple of years. Some will have multiple. Trying to compare Canada to Europe makes little sense in this area. They don't have the same distances to cover, or remote areas demanding equal service.
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Sorry to correct you but probably 25% can't afford a new car now, especially of they're trying to buy a house.

In the good old days of smog my 66 VW Beetle only had one sensor, the door switch that turned the dome light on. All other sensors were built into the driver.

If you sense pain in your elbow you've fallen out of the vehicle because the door is ajar.

If your eyes can't see the road turn the lights on.

If your ears can't hear the engine cranking when the key is turned you didn't turn the lights off.

If you can't hear the radio or passengers because a loud noise elsewhere in the vehicle, shift gears or at least release the clutch pedal.

If your sphincter activates when you try to slow the vehicle have the brakes serviced
 
nobbie48 said:
Here we go...

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Some sellers claim no license, registration or insurance required.

A golf cart is even cheaper and we can get away from the lithium, rare earth problem. Just good old fashioned lead and sulfuric acid.
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nobbie48 said:
Here we go...

www.google.com

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Some sellers claim no license, registration or insurance required.

A golf cart is even cheaper and we can get away from the lithium, rare earth problem. Just good old fashioned lead and sulfuric acid.
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Along with the ebike regulations, ontario also has regulations for small low-speed electric cars. I don't think I've ever seen one on the road though.
 
nobbie48 said:
Some sellers claim no license, registration or insurance required.
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Sure, and also can't be legally operated on most roads, so there's that.

nobbie48 said:
A golf cart is even cheaper and we can get away from the lithium, rare earth problem. Just good old fashioned lead and sulfuric acid.
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Lead isn't exactly environmentally friendly as well, for the record.

And people need to stop shi!ting on lithium unless they're going to also be willing to stop using all the things most everyone in society uses on a daily basis that contains it, including the very devices that I guarantee 99% of the people participating at GTAM are using to do so.

When everyone is willing to give up their cellphones, cordless power tools, digital cameras, laptops, a lot of children's toys, e-cigs, tablets and e-readers, bluetooth headsets, watches, video game controllers, smoke detectors, not to mention medical devices like pacemakers and such, and a million other things, then we can stop miniming lithium and that whole problem will be solved.

Deal?

Also, "Rare earth elements" are not actually rare. Common misconception in the anti-EV crowd.
 
TK4 said:
Not that it seems to stop the e-bikers and other squids.
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ebikes are one thing as they're small enough to fly under the radar, but try driving one of those minicar things on a public road in any major city and you'll see that the results are apt to be quite different.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Sure, and also can't be legally operated on most roads, so there's that.



Lead isn't exactly environmentally friendly as well, for the record.

And people need to stop shi!ting on lithium unless they're going to also be willing to stop using all the things most everyone in society uses on a daily basis that contains it, including the very devices that I guarantee 99% of the people participating at GTAM are using to do so.

When everyone is willing to give up their cellphones, cordless power tools, digital cameras, laptops, a lot of children's toys, e-cigs, tablets and e-readers, bluetooth headsets, watches, video game controllers, smoke detectors, not to mention medical devices like pacemakers and such, and a million other things, then we can stop miniming lithium and that whole problem will be solved.

Deal?

Also, "Rare earth elements" are not actually rare. Common misconception in the anti-EV crowd.
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Pollution control for all too many, is stepping outside of the room to fart. It becomes someone else's problem.
 
nobbie48 said:
I saw one. It was heading towards Brampton.
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Not sure if serious.. but there is one that drives around Dixie and Peter Robertson (one light north of Bovaird). He goes to Tim Hortons regularly. There's bike lanes on Peter Robertson.. I don't know if he's legal or not, but he gets around okay in it.
 
There's also a number of young guys riding motocross bikes on the streets in the area.. and they don't seem to get bothered either.
 
raginduck said:
Not sure if serious.. but there is one that drives around Dixie and Peter Robertson (one light north of Bovaird). He goes to Tim Hortons regularly. There's bike lanes on Peter Robertson.. I don't know if he's legal or not, but he gets around okay in it.
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Here are the rules. As it is a motorized vehicle, it is not allowed in bike lanes. I was surprised they may you have 1M in liability to operate one. No wonder they aren't common, that alone basically kills cost-effectiveness.

Low-speed vehicle pilot program

Learn about using a low-speed vehicle in Ontario.
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raginduck said:
Not sure if serious.. but there is one that drives around Dixie and Peter Robertson (one light north of Bovaird). He goes to Tim Hortons regularly. There's bike lanes on Peter Robertson.. I don't know if he's legal or not, but he gets around okay in it.
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Northbound on Tomken near Matheson.
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